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Old 02-05-2012, 12:33 PM   #1
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Default The Tale Wagging The Dogma. Which "Mark" Wrote "Mark"? A Dear John Letter Part II

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JW:
I've decided to resurrect my Legendary Thread from the archives:

The Tale Wagging The Dogma. Which "Mark" Wrote "Mark"? A Dear John Letter

for two reasons:
1) The list of identified (by Christianity) "Marks" who wrote "Mark" continues to expand.

2) Comparison of these "Mark's" is illustrative in demonstrating how subsequent Christianity keeps moving the authority for the subsequent "Mark" closer to Jesus.
The list of Markan candidates for "Mark" so far (in attempted chronological order):

http://www.freeratio.org/thearchives...5&postcount=35

First "Mark"

Source: Irenaeus

Date: c. 180

Description: Follower and interpreter of Peter

Author Source: Memory

Authority: None

Location: Unknown


Second "Mark"

Source: Eusebius referring to Clement

Date: Eusebius c. 324, Clement c. 200

Description: Follower of Peter but not the Cephas (Peter) that Paul knew.

Timing: Wrote while Peter was still alive.

Author Source: Memory

Authority: Request of Romans

Location: Rome


Third "Mark" (Glaucias)

Source: Clement referring to Basilides

Date: Eusebius c. 324, Clement c. 200

Author or at least source of information: Glaucias

Description of "Mark": Interpreter of Peter

Timing: Contemporary to orthodox claim of "Mark" as interpreter of Peter

Author Source: Peter

Authority: ?


Fourth "Mark"

Source: Eusebius referring to Clement

Date: Eusebius c. 324, Clement c. 200

Description: Follower of Peter

Timing: Wrote while Peter was still alive.

Author Source: Memory

Authority: Request of Romans

Location: Rome


Fifth "Mark"

Source: Eusebius referring to Origen

Date: Eusebius c. 324, Origen c. 230

Description: Follower of Peter

Timing: Wrote while Peter was still alive.

Author Source: Peter

Authority: Peter

Location: Rome


Sixth "Mark"

Source: Jerome

Date: c. 400

Author: Peter

Description of "Mark": Scribe

Timing: Wrote while Peter was still alive.

Author Source: Peter

Authority: Peter

Location: Rome


Seventh "Mark"

Source: Augustine

Date: c. 400

Author: Mark

Description of "Mark": Follower of Peter

Timing: Wrote after "Matthew" and before "Luke"

Author Source: "Matthew"

Authority: ?

Location: ?


Eighth "Mark"

Source: Hippolytus/Fake Hippolytus

Date: c. 202 - c. 19th century (We'll see how the Assertian fits the timelieon at the end)

Author: Mark

Description of "Mark": Disciple of Jesus

Timing: Wrote while Peter was still alive.

Author Source: Jesus

Authority: Peter

Location: Rome

So many "Marks" and "Peters". How do you decide which is the source, Rock, Papals, Caesars?

And we now have a new Markan candidate for "Mark" thanks to the recent Thread here:

Acts of Mark

Quote:
5. A Disciple of John the Baptist, and Then of Jesus;
Mark Received St. Peter Freed from Prison

Now the celebrated apostle Mark had previously followed the divine and greatly eloquent John, the forerunner, but when the only-begotten Son of God went from Jerusalem into Galilee, he followed him. And when Peter, the most divine and all-reverent leader of the apostles, was cast out from the inescapable and all-secure prison under the supervision of a holy angel, and was delivered from the hands of the all-abominable and thrice-accursed Herod and the baseless and lie-plastered betrayal of the all-brazen Jews, he went immediately from the prison to the house of the thrice-blessed Mark, sending up a hymn of thanksgiving to God and announcing to the brothers about the wondrous deed that had happened to him, how Christ their God had suddenly and amazingly delivered him from the brutal and murderous plot of the accursed Jews. So everyone rejoiced by sending up the appropriate thanksgiving to Christ their God.
So based on what we have so far (from the translation):

Ninth "Mark"

Source: Acts of Mark

Date: ?

Author: ?

Description of "Mark": Disciple of Jesus

Timing: ?

Author Source: ?

Authority: ?

Location: ?

Note that based on description, "Disciple of Jesus", the dating placement would be after Augustine, c. 400.



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Old 02-05-2012, 06:37 PM   #2
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You forgot Eusebius referring to Papias.

Eusebius quotes from Papias on the Gospel of Mark in Hist. Eccl. iii. 39 as follows:

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For information on these points, we can merely refer our readers to the books themselves; but now, to the extracts already made, we shall add, as being a matter of primary importance, a tradition regarding Mark who wrote the Gospel, which he [Papias] has given in the following words: "And the presbyter said this. Mark having become the interpreter of Peter, wrote down accurately whatsoever he remembered. It was not, however, in exact order that he related the sayings or deeds of Christ. For he neither heard the Lord nor accompanied Him. But afterwards, as I said, he accompanied Peter, who accommodated his instructions to the necessities [of his hearers], but with no intention of giving a regular narrative of the Lord's sayings. Wherefore Mark made no mistake in thus writing some things as he remembered them. For of one thing he took especial care, not to omit anything he had heard, and not to put anything fictitious into the statements." This is what is related by Papias regarding Mark.
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PS I voted whatever spin says wrote gMark.
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Old 02-05-2012, 07:25 PM   #3
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Again. A poll that lacks "NONE OF THE ABOVE".

The name 'Mark' only got stuck on this Gospel much latter by people that barely knew their rectums from a hole in the ground.

(But your point is well made Joe. )
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