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Chris Weimer · 09-28-2004, 09:13 PM

IHSIS and IESOUS are possibly purely coincidental. If We tried to figure out the meaning of every two words that looked alike or sounded like and tried to see the "connection" philology would never have come this far. pniw and pneu, do you think that they are related? They mean exactly the same thing. Possibly, but they would have to be 50000 years apart, the latter belonging to the Klamath Indian tribe. It's kind of like kalb in Akkadian with IndoEuropean kuon/canis etc... But in this case, IHSOUS comes from Yeshua which is the truncated form of Yehoshua, from Yahweh and shua meaning Yahweh helps, not necessarily saves, but the distinction is slight.

CX · 09-28-2004, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by spin

Just to throw a little spanner in the works, Liddell & Scott give Iasw as the name of a goddess of "healing and health" and is found in Pausanius Descr. 1.34.3, as IASOUS. The Ionian form has an eta instead of the alpha, so if Pausanius had been writing in Ionian one would expect IHSOUS.

And the brother of Onias III, whose name was Yeshua, was called Jason in Greek texts. For Jason, Homer gives IHSWN in Odd. 12:72.

spin

Odd indeed, but I'm not sure it's worth more than a quick eyebrow wrinkle. Language is so fluid, arbitrary and amorphous I doubt one could make a compelling case based on these tidbits.

Chili · 09-28-2004, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Angyson

To this day, to celebrate Easter according to the Greek Orthodox calendar, Greeks announce : Xristos Anesti or Christ has Risen ! We light candles that are passed from person to person and crack Easter eggs against each other.

If Jesus died how can Christ be risen? It was the death of Jesus that liberated Christ and the resurrection of Jesus just signified that sanity returned.

spin · 09-28-2004, 10:14 PM

Both cweb255 and CX express doubts as to any connection between the Greek IASW with its Ionian equivalent IHSW and the name Jesus IHSOUS...

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Originally Posted by CX

Odd indeed, but I'm not sure it's worth more than a quick eyebrow wrinkle. Language is so fluid, arbitrary and amorphous I doubt one could make a compelling case based on these tidbits.

...and so do I.

But it does need some consideration. I have argued that the first gospel we have, Mark, was written in Rome, and there is no reason to assume that the gospel material as we have it was written in Palestine. We know next to nothing about the beliefs of those messianists he met in Jerusalem who were obviously not impressed with his brand.

What if the name Jesus as the messiah developed in a Greek speaking community? Is this speculation any less valid than those who extrapolate that their Jesus was really called Yeshu from Greek texts? If it did arise in a Greek speaking community then the relation of the name with the Ionian Greek word for healing needs to be considered.

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Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	IHSIS and IESOUS are possibly purely coincidental. If We tried to figure out the meaning of every two words that looked alike or sounded like and tried to see the "connection" philology would never have come this far. pniw and pneu, do you think that they are related? They mean exactly the same thing. Possibly, but they would have to be 50000 years apart, the latter belonging to the Klamath Indian tribe. It's kind of like kalb in Akkadian with IndoEuropean kuon/canis etc... But in this case, IHSOUS comes from Yeshua which is the truncated form of Yehoshua, from Yahweh and shua meaning Yahweh helps, not necessarily saves, but the distinction is slight.

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