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Who is satan and what is his real name.
Okay, so I was listening to Beelz by Steven Lynch and it was making me wonder, what are the characteristics that make up satan and what is his real name? Lucifer, Beelzebub, Mephistopheles, Satan, etc. Is he a snake, a goat hoofed demon, a beautiful fallen angel, the right hand of god who is not fallen but instead doing god's bidding of testing man's faith (my Mormon friends said that it was Luci's real job), a man in a white robe, etc.
Of the many things that I have to figure out what the "christian" I'm talking to believes in (since they all disagree about everything) before I can properly start debating with them is the character of Santa/Luci/Beelz (not a typo) before I can start debating about why the concept itself doesn't make sense. The same way I have to ask whether or not they believe the Earth is only ten thousand years old, it seriously changes the nature of the debate. And even here, I've seen different characteristics given for this same individual. I've heard tell that the bible never directly references the same Santa/Luci/Beelz from one book to the next. In essence, I want to educate myself more about this concept of the biblical satan since I personally don't know much about him. Any help would be appreciated. |
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In Job, Satan (lit. 'adversary') appears as God's assistant, as a sort of "Devil's advocate" who tests people's faith. There's no mention here of Satan acting in opposition to God. Sorry, got to go. I'll take a look at the NT later. |
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Probably a title of the devil, "lord of the flies", though earlier it was a name of Baal from Ekron. Attached to the Faust tradition circa 1580. Originally a title for an angel, "the adversary". By the finally stages of the Hebrew bible it had become a name, no longer "the adversary", but just "Adversary" (1 Chr 21:1). We can see here the start of the emergence of the prime bad guy. Quote:
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and Jeffrey Burton Russel's Satan: The Early Christian Tradition (or via: amazon.co.uk) and Lucifer: The Devil in the Middle Ages (or via: amazon.co.uk). Jeffrey |
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Are any of those books public domain, and if they are, where can I download them? I'm not exactly rich.
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But this one is available on the Logos Scholar's Disc, as is TDNT where you will find good entries on σατανᾶς and διάβολος. Are you near a good library? Jeffrey |
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No I'm not near a library. Since I don't currently have the resources to pursue these books, could you give me the highlights and sweetpoints that would answer my above questions? And any other interesting information that would just be cool to know.
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the satan and pan
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as for the evolution of satan, do some reading on the god pan. hoofed feet, horns, and by the 4th c. ce, had become much larger than he actually was in the traditional greek pantheon. one can argue that pan became the prototype for later depictions of satan, especially since pan was linked to epilepsy/tremors/convulsions ('panic') and one story has jesus casting out a demon and curing an convulsing child at caesarea philippi, which is also called 'paneas', or 'the panion,' where pan was worshipped. the 'cave of pan' is still there today. |
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i meant about the adversary part. some sort of heavenly being is assumed in the job (and maybe in the 1chron) passages, but 'satan' is not exclusively used to refer to heavenly beings.
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