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Johnny Skeptic · 08-13-2006, 08:37 AM

I look forward to reading comments from readers.

spacedOut · 08-13-2006, 09:05 AM

Matt. 10:29
Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father.

Luke 12:6
Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God.

Doesn't really imply compassion or care, just that God keeps tabs on them (I guess Luke found a better deal on sparrows...)

gnosis92 · 08-13-2006, 09:17 AM

balaam was beating the crap out of a donkey and the donkey said please stop beating me

Bang · 08-13-2006, 09:53 AM

This is an interesting topic and I would like to learn more. I hope the Christians step up to the plate and tell it like it us. What I am saying, is that it has been my experience that Christians look upon animals differently than humans. They do not seem to respect them (animals) What is this attitude all about anyway?

I am wondering if this ( differentiating animals from humans ) is just there line in the sand, so to speak. Making humans look more important than animals and perhaps justifying creationism. They just have to have this attitude to make it all believable, I guess.

Notice, for example, how Christians look unfavourably on the idea that animals have emotions and feelings. This is telling I think.

ROB13 · 08-13-2006, 01:24 PM

"naml" in arabic is a word for ants

surah naml verse 18-19
(18) Until when they reached a valley of "namlî", one of the
"namlat(un)" conveyed: O you company of namlû go into your dwellings
lest Solomon and his armies crush you unbeknownst to them.

(19) So he smiled, amused by her message, and said: O my Lord! Order me
that I may be grateful for Your favours which you have bestowed on me
and on my parents, and that I may work righteousness that will please
You. And admit me, by Your Grace, to the ranks of Your righteous
servants."

interesting commentry on this verse by a Muslim :

Quote:

Here is a King that possesses an army unlike any of his time, and when
he marches it would cause the ground to shake. God Almighty, who
hears everything, draws attention to a conversation among these tiny
little creatures in the midst of the army. I mean, what message can
be conveyed by the Loving Creator who listens and draws attention to
what we even think are among the most insignificant creatures. Who
alone would care for the conversation of ants in the middle of a great
army, of which many conversations were probably going on. Further,
God allows Sulayman (AS) to hear this conversation. Reread the
response of this great King, and than ask yourself what is the lesson
to be learned:

Normal kings would raise their chins up in pride, and would pay little
attention to those weaker than him. Yet, here is that wonderful man,
at the apex of his power, glorifying and thanking his Lord for the
mercy and bounty that was given to the Prophet. Surely, we can take
many lessons from this.

lee_merrill · 08-13-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedOut

Matt. 10:29
Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father.

Luke 12:6
Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God.

Doesn't really imply compassion or care, just that God keeps tabs on them (I guess Luke found a better deal on sparrows...)

But how do these verses not indicate care? Mt. 10:29 is even more literally "apart from your Father."

Psalm 50:11 I know every bird in the mountains, and the creatures of the field are mine.

And this prophecy even indicates God's care for the order of nature, where animals eat each other:

Isaiah 11:6-7 The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them. The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox.

So the situation will some day change.

Romans 8:20-21 ... in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

Blessings,
Lee

WishboneDawn · 08-13-2006, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bang

This is an interesting topic and I would like to learn more. I hope the Christians step up to the plate and tell it like it us. What I am saying, is that it has been my experience that Christians look upon animals differently than humans. They do not seem to respect them (animals) What is this attitude all about anyway?

I am wondering if this ( differentiating animals from humans ) is just there line in the sand, so to speak. Making humans look more important than animals and perhaps justifying creationism. They just have to have this attitude to make it all believable, I guess.

Notice, for example, how Christians look unfavourably on the idea that animals have emotions and feelings. This is telling I think.

So do many scientists.

Sometimes the practice of assigning general attributes or shortcomings to all christians get pretty ridiculous.

Take me for instance, I tend to think animals do have emotions and when I, a christian, bring an animal into the family it's not as a pet but as a full fledged member of the pack. When I brought up a problem I was having with mice in my basement to a christian group I belong to the consensus was to get some humane traps so I could catch and release. Why? Because the mice would obviously be feeling creatures and deserve their little lives.

However, I use snap traps and kill the little buggers. Feelings or not, they don't get to poop on my canned goods. But I'm mean when it comes to uninvited guests. You should see the snap traps I've got set out for the JW's.

Johnny Skeptic · 08-13-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lee merrill

But how do these verses not indicate care? Mt. 10:29 is even more literally "apart from your Father."

Psalm 50:11 I know every bird in the mountains, and the creatures of the field are mine.

And this prophecy even indicates God's care for the order of nature, where animals eat each other:

Isaiah 11:6-7 The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them. The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox.

So the situation will some day change.

Romans 8:20-21 ... in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

Now really, Lee. Do you actually wish to argue with me in this thread and embarrass yourself again after the beating that I just gave you in the thread on prophecy? If so, I am ready for some more fun. You are way out of your league when it comes to debating the nature of God. That topic is my specialty, and I have some arguments that will quickly chase you right out of town.

Truth_Seeker · 08-13-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Skeptic

Are there any Scriptures that say that God cares about animals?

Proverbs 12:10- A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast....

Not sure how I remembered this verse....nevertheless, I recalled it from a Sunday school class of long ago. Of course, I can point to countless more that indicate god doesn't give a shit about animals.....or little kids.....or women.....or handicap people.....or.....well, you get the picture.

jesus_is_creepy · 08-13-2006, 10:53 PM

gen. 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the alter.

God clearly liked the sweet smell of burnt animal flesh

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08-13-2006, 09:05 AM	#2
spacedOut Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Heart of Dixie Posts: 104	Matt. 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. Luke 12:6 Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God. Doesn't really imply compassion or care, just that God keeps tabs on them (I guess Luke found a better deal on sparrows...)

08-13-2006, 09:17 AM	#3
gnosis92 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: usa Posts: 3,103	balaam was beating the crap out of a donkey and the donkey said please stop beating me

08-13-2006, 09:53 AM	#4
Bang Regular Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Surrey, BC Posts: 487	This is an interesting topic and I would like to learn more. I hope the Christians step up to the plate and tell it like it us. What I am saying, is that it has been my experience that Christians look upon animals differently than humans. They do not seem to respect them (animals) What is this attitude all about anyway? I am wondering if this ( differentiating animals from humans ) is just there line in the sand, so to speak. Making humans look more important than animals and perhaps justifying creationism. They just have to have this attitude to make it all believable, I guess. Notice, for example, how Christians look unfavourably on the idea that animals have emotions and feelings. This is telling I think.

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jesus_is_creepy Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cabancalan Posts: 8	gen. 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the alter. God clearly liked the sweet smell of burnt animal flesh

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