dockeen

Perhaps with a small, but important addition:

Well, actually that should be: the Bible says it, that settles it, you believe it, OR ELSE!

Saramago

My version:

CONCLUSION: The provision by God for mankind's helpless estate (created by God) does not mean that mankind is able to fulfill God's requirements for access to God's remedy, most commonly supposed to be belief in God and - more importantly - in God's remedy, as mankind does not inherently know about this remedy, and is not uniformly disposed to believe this cockamamie story. And, therefore, the necessity of rejecting this as anything but a desperate, if well-referenced, search for meaning and message in a collection of human-authored books which happen to be bound together because of a vaguely common theme.

dockeen

If the situation got SO damn fouled up after original sin, where we have god, who
is unable or unwilling to waive his standards, and man who is unable to meet those
standards, didn't god push the stop button? Why let man procreate and create
billions of souls that are destined for eternal torture?

Is it really that important that god have cheerleaders sucking his, I mean sucking
up to him? (Cutting through the rancid bovine fecal material that apologists like
to throw out there like "making his glory fully manifest") - why can't dude just
learn to masturbate, I mean, he's tri-omni and all.

simon kole

Relax, calm down, Jarhyn.

Are you unaware that it is inappropriate to shout your responses?

My purview is the content of the Biblical texts.

I am responding to a question presented to me about the apparent contradiction between the sovereignty of God and the moral responsibility of man as presented in the Scriptural texts.

Sorry you don't like the parameters of the question, nor the parameters of the response. But your exposure to the background of this discussion appears quite "limited."

simon kole

That is not alleged in Scripture.That's not what Scripture says. "Colorful" very "loose" paraphrase of what Scripture says.

Saramago

It's clear that a lot of effort went into your response, simon kole. I appreciate that, but on the other hand Christians with different beliefs have also been able to use various lines from various parts of scripture to support their views, waving away (with some explanation or another) the parts that don't seem to fit. And of course there's also the problem that most of us here don't accept the Bible as either a coherent, internally consistent document or The Truth, but rather as a collection of poetry, short stories, biased histories, and propaganda.

simon kole

Understood.

simon kole

Scripture says that is what God ordained.

simon kole

Yeah, that's the way the (divine) law and (divine) justice work.

Jarhyn

shouting is perfectly acceptable when one side appears to not be listening. You still fail to address the PROVEN FACT that the bible is suspect, and the PROVEN FACT that quoting the bible is meaningless without providing corroboration consisting of publicly observable phenomenon. You have failed to provide such corroborating evidence therefore all you have succeeded in doing is continuing to spout meaningless intellectual noise.