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Old 09-07-2007, 01:45 PM   #11
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Check this out. They are already sort of claiming victory in that regard.
http://www.icr.org/article/3383/

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Creative Evolution: An Anti-Darwin Theory Won a Nobel
by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D*

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An anti-Darwinian theory of biological origins that was well received and widely accepted for years was creative evolution. This theory attempted to deal with some of the major problems of Darwin's theory, especially the origin of biological information. Developed by Henri Bergson, the level of the theory's acceptance is indicated by the fact that the author was awarded the Nobel Prize for his work in this area. It is the only Nobel ever awarded for an anti-Darwinian theory of biological origins.
Bergson won the Nobel Prize for literature, in 1927.
I don't know how "anti-darwinian" his (1907) "L'evolution creatice" was (I haven't read it. It's available online if anyone wants to check it out.) In any event, it doesn't seem to have had much impact on science.
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Old 09-07-2007, 01:47 PM   #12
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Check this out. They are already sort of claiming victory in that regard.
http://www.icr.org/article/3383/

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Creative Evolution: An Anti-Darwin Theory Won a Nobel
by Jerry Bergman, Ph.D*

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An anti-Darwinian theory of biological origins that was well received and widely accepted for years was creative evolution. This theory attempted to deal with some of the major problems of Darwin's theory, especially the origin of biological information. Developed by Henri Bergson, the level of the theory's acceptance is indicated by the fact that the author was awarded the Nobel Prize for his work in this area. It is the only Nobel ever awarded for an anti-Darwinian theory of biological origins.
Funny. Bergson, a philosopher, received the Nobel Prize in Literature for attempting to integrate the findings of biological science (Darwinian Evolution) with a theory of consciousness (link here). Hence the name of his book, Creative Evolution; it was definitely not a refutation of evolution and it was written in 1907.

I really need to get Bergman to talk to me again...

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Old 09-07-2007, 01:51 PM   #13
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Bergson won the Nobel Prize for literature, in 1927.
I don't know how "anti-darwinian" his (1907) "L'evolution creatice" was (I haven't read it. It's available online if anyone wants to check it out.) In any event, it doesn't seem to have had much impact on science.
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Old 09-07-2007, 01:54 PM   #14
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Got another quote from that link:

"Bergson had been interested in Spencerian evolutionism in his youth, but he later abandoned Spencer's view placing intuition as the highest human faculty. In Creative Evolution Bergson argued that the creative urge, not the Darwinian concept of natural selection, is at the heart of evolution. Man's intellect has developed in the course of evolution as an instrument of survival. It comes to think inevitably in geometrical or 'spatializing' terms that are inadequate to lay hold of the ultimate living process. But intuition goes to the heart of reality, and enables us to find philosophic truth."

And of course, natural selection turns out to be much more of a contributor to evolution than the creative mind, especially during the synthesis. Jerry needs to read his books more carefully and he needs to read more up-to-date books, scientifically speaking.

Dang that VoxRat - you are quicker to the google than a baptist to a river.

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Old 09-07-2007, 02:05 PM   #15
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Dang that VoxRat - you are quicker to the google than a baptist to a river.
And, indeed, I confess all I know about Bergson is via Google.

I note however, that - so far as I can tell - Bergson won the Nobel in 1927.

The compulsive liar Bergman wrote:
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And, indeed, I confess all I know about Bergson is via Google.
All I know about him is via Monty Python:
Michael Miles: Well your first question for the blow on the head this evening is: What great opponent of Cartesian dualism resists the reduction of psychological phenomena to physical states?
Woman: I don't know that!
Michael Miles: Well, have a guess.
Woman: Henri Bergson.
Michael Miles: Is the correct answer!
Woman: Ooh, that was lucky. I never even heard of him.
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Old 09-08-2007, 12:50 AM   #17
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They have won it already (kinda); that evil pixie Mama Teresa won it for her vatican fund-raising and poor people-torturing humanitarian work in 1979 - and how that didn't destroy the award I will never know.
It was reported in the newspapers here that she was having a crisis of faith at one time. Maybe she was a closet atheist. How could they give such a person the prize? she would preach to the poor and destitute that poverty was a gift from God and to accept their burdon.
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