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Roland Deschain · 06-18-2008, 12:42 PM

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Where do Intersexuals fit in the Bible?

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Male and female he created them in the image of God
(Genesis 1:26-28)

Intersexuals are not scriptural. The only place they'd be in the bible is behind it as a literalist holds it to their eyes to block their view of them.

Well said.

I find this topic amusing because I actually had to dig up a medical book with pictures to prove to a guy at work that intersexuals do exist. I then asked him how the Bible approaches this phenomenon but he didn't really have an answer. For some backstory, we were debating marriage and homosexuality and he is a conservative Christian. You can probably figure out the rest.

Keith&Co. · 06-18-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Roland Deschain

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Intersexuals are not scriptural. The only place they'd be in the bible is behind it as a literalist holds it to their eyes to block their view of them.

Well said.

I find this topic amusing because I actually had to dig up a medical book with pictures to prove to a guy at work that intersexuals do exist. I then asked him how the Bible approaches this phenomenon but he didn't really have an answer. For some backstory, we were debating marriage and homosexuality and he is a conservative Christian. You can probably figure out the rest.

At some point, i'm sure he'll remember that the answer for all imperfections in God's creation is man's sinning. If man hadn't sinned, we wouldn't have disease, death, perversions and people born with tails.

Krazyone57 · 06-18-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith&Co.

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Originally Posted by Roland Deschain

Well said.

I find this topic amusing because I actually had to dig up a medical book with pictures to prove to a guy at work that intersexuals do exist. I then asked him how the Bible approaches this phenomenon but he didn't really have an answer. For some backstory, we were debating marriage and homosexuality and he is a conservative Christian. You can probably figure out the rest.

At some point, i'm sure he'll remember that the answer for all imperfections in God's creation is man's sinning. If man hadn't sinned, we wouldn't have disease, death, perversions and people born with tails.

lol...

Are you serious? Do You have any kind of proof to back up this stuff.

thats how i would respond to that

Toto · 06-18-2008, 03:31 PM

What do you want proven? The attitude that says that all imperfections came from sin? Check the religioustolerance link above - that's what Chuch Colson says.

Keith&Co. · 06-18-2008, 03:32 PM

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lol...

Sadly, no.

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Are you serious?

My post was made in earnest, yes.

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Do You have any kind of proof to back up this stuff.

I'm...not sure. What do you want me to back up?

Species8472 · 06-20-2008, 04:05 PM

Intersexuality is a lot more common than most people think, but it is in most cases not visible on the outside as in the "plumbing". Christianity does, as far as I have been able to figure out, completely ignore the fact that they exist. We now know that sex is not all that clearly defined (all embryos are female and only turn male when testosterone kicks in, if that process fail, even a fully genetically male is born female), but the iron age men who wrote the bible defined it as absolute, and so does christians tend to as well. Had the debate with my religious mother today about the new law in Norway permitting homosexual marriages, and she of course quoted the verse in genesis about the absoludity if the sexes and the allowed relationship between them.

The irony in the bible, proving its view on sexes completely backwards, is that it claims women is made from men, but in reality it is the exact opposite

Roland Deschain · 06-20-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith&Co.

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Well said.

I find this topic amusing because I actually had to dig up a medical book with pictures to prove to a guy at work that intersexuals do exist. I then asked him how the Bible approaches this phenomenon but he didn't really have an answer. For some backstory, we were debating marriage and homosexuality and he is a conservative Christian. You can probably figure out the rest.

At some point, i'm sure he'll remember that the answer for all imperfections in God's creation is man's sinning. If man hadn't sinned, we wouldn't have disease, death, perversions and people born with tails.

Yes, that's what I was expecting from him but he isn't quite as seasoned as some creationists.

Kharakov · 06-21-2008, 01:27 PM

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I thought Adame was a hermaphrodite until his extra X chromosome, I mean rib, was removed?

THat's way too technical for a bronze-age myth.
Adam was a man, to whom god offered a number of animals as partners, but he was uninterested even in the sheep.
God used Adam's flesh to make Woman, thus making Woman a clone and Adam her mother.

Was this God's way of saying "Go fuck yourself"?

ohmi · 06-21-2008, 02:47 PM

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Where do Intersexuals fit in the Bible? This has always fascinated me. Can they marry? Are they considered abominations? Does the Bible consider them male, female, some third gender?

This is a strange topic indeed but I'd like to see a serious inquiry into how the Bible treats those who are born Intersexuals.

The word 'intersexual' is an oxymoron and a euphemism...

The problem in modern society is failure to acknowledge that hermaphroditism actually does [in principle anyway] cause a single individual to be BOTH male and female [as indeed all of some species are both male and female , e.g, the humble earthworm]

The nonsense thus persists through ignorance that an individual can be BOTH male and female , society and its laws are simply wrong about this, simple as that.

Species8472 · 06-21-2008, 05:00 PM

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The word 'intersexual' is an oxymoron and a euphemism...

The problem in modern society is failure to acknowledge that hermaphroditism actually does [in principle anyway] cause a single individual to be BOTH male and female [as indeed all of some species are both male and female , e.g, the humble earthworm]

The nonsense thus persists through ignorance that an individual can be BOTH male and female , society and its laws are simply wrong about this, simple as that.

Hermaphrodites are intersexuals, but not all intersexuals are hermaphrodites, not by far.

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	What do you want proven? The attitude that says that all imperfections came from sin? Check the religioustolerance link above - that's what Chuch Colson says.

06-20-2008, 04:05 PM	#16
Species8472 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 804	Intersexuality is a lot more common than most people think, but it is in most cases not visible on the outside as in the "plumbing". Christianity does, as far as I have been able to figure out, completely ignore the fact that they exist. We now know that sex is not all that clearly defined (all embryos are female and only turn male when testosterone kicks in, if that process fail, even a fully genetically male is born female), but the iron age men who wrote the bible defined it as absolute, and so does christians tend to as well. Had the debate with my religious mother today about the new law in Norway permitting homosexual marriages, and she of course quoted the verse in genesis about the absoludity if the sexes and the allowed relationship between them. The irony in the bible, proving its view on sexes completely backwards, is that it claims women is made from men, but in reality it is the exact opposite

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