Kasper

Consider this from Sura 2, verse 6-7:

The Quran directly says that Allah has made some people incapable of believing in him and that he still punishes them for it.

Thor Q. Mada

Both or better all three of the Abrahamic religions are rediculous beyond belief with each one of them their own set of rules which from a distance inspire not just a smile but loud laughter.
All of them have caused enless pain and suffering over the centuries for no reason at all and without any acknowledgment from the other side, a fact which should be a death giveaway for even the most dimwitthed amongst us.
Stupid people, the one's praying while frantically shaking their heads to he ruins of a wall while believing they are the chosen one's, the one's that hide their women and thrown themselves on the ground several times a day in the direction of a worthless small city in the dessert, as well as the one's where the fatherless child is crucified and thereby forming the only one of the three with a lawfull convicted criminal as their god.
Get rid of it all.
The reason islam looks the worst is only to seek in the age of the religion. Islam is still very much in its growing pains and if mankind survives will presumably becom milder. There is about 600 years difference. Look what xianity was doing 600 years ago.

Kasper

I agree that the Abrahamic religions are more or less equally worthless, but the above quote from the Quran scores highest on my insane-o-meter.

WilliamB

Doesn't sound much different than the Calvinist version of God.

IamJoseph

Both christianity and Islam say the same thing - via different names of figureheads. Those who don't accept are damned to hell for a long time forever with no salvation and its a blessing to kill the infidels.

In contrast, the Hebrew bible does not attach any immunity based on one's beliefs, and applies majestic laws
equally to all:

ONLY THE SOUL THAT SINNETH [COMMITS A CRIME] IT SHALL PAY.

EQUAL JUSTICE TO THE STRANGER AS THE INHABITANT.


How equally worthless are all three? :constern01:

Toto

Please stick to the topic.

This sounds very much like the way that YHWH hardened Pharoah's heart so He could reign his terror over Egypt, smiting and killing Egyptian babies and others.

There is a basic confusion at the heart of monotheism. If you think that there is only one god who is the ruler of the Universe, you have to believe that everything that happens was ordained by this god, including evil and evil people, so you have to invent a purpose for all of the divinely ordained evil.

Either that or deny the reality of human existence.

Joan of Bark

Okay, I'll play devil's advocate here. Is it possible the verse means that those who already disbelieve will never be allowed to believe? That they've "blasphemed the holy spirit" (to borrow a Christian phrase) and therefore can never be forgiven?

IamJoseph

The reality is, you quoted a half sentence: first the Egyptians caused the terror. It says so in the same source you quoted!

IamJoseph

Who knows who's forgiven and who are not - who's gone and checked? But if one stands between christianity and islam - they have not a hope - whichever way they turn they are bad - and this also applies if they don't turn and stand still. How cute is that!

Joan of Bark

Where?

And why did YHWH need to "harden the pharoah's heart"? And how does Pharoah's 'hardened heart' justify mass slaughter of innocent children? Since YHWH is omnipotent, he could have got the Israelites out of Egypt without killing anybody. (Of course, this whole story is fiction, but I'm arguing from a believers point of view).