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Old 10-20-2005, 12:33 PM   #1
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Default Can you stomach this contradiction?

Jesus proved he was flesh and blood by eating food with his new, incorruptible stomach.

Paul however, says that stomach and food will both be destroyed, come the resurrectiion.

1 Corinthians 6

"Everything is permissible for me"—but I will not be mastered by anything. "Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"—but God will destroy them both.

The Corinthians must have been very puzzled after hearing all the stories of the resurrected Jesus eating food, and then being told by Paul that resurrected people had no need for stomachs or food.

I wonder how the incorruptible stomach of the resurrected Jesus would be destroyed as Paul claimed.....


How can Paul hear stories of the resurrected Jesus eating and then declare that a truly spiritual person would have no need of stomach or food?
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They probably weren't as confused as you might think. I'm guessing they grasped rhetoric a little better than the average modern dolt today.

Maxim 1: "Everything is permissible for me" leads to ...

Maxim 2: "Food for the stomach and the stomach for food …"

What is important in life? Not food and the stomach. What, then, is important? "He who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit" (v. 17), i.e., the close connection of the body and its Lord. "Therefore, honor God with your body" (v. 20).

What the truly spiritual person has no need of is that which has no enduring value, like, for example, eating for eating's sake.

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They probably weren't as confused as you might think. I'm guessing they grasped rhetoric a little better than the average modern dolt today.

Maxim 1: "Everything is permissible for me" leads to ...

Maxim 2: "Food for the stomach and the stomach for food …"

What is important in life? Not food and the stomach. What, then, is important? "He who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit" (v. 17), i.e., the close connection of the body and its Lord. "Therefore, honor God with your body" (v. 20).

What the truly spiritual person has no need of is that which has no enduring value, like, for example, eating for eating's sake.
I stand by what Paul wrote - Stomach and food will be destroyed. Pretty clear. A resurrected person will not eat.


Why did Paul use just that phrase in part of a letter supposedly designed to show that the resurrected Jesus was a flesh and blood being who could eat, in perfect concordance with the Gospels depiction of Jesus?

Still, perhaps resurrected people will not eat for eating's sake,as you say, but will eat purely to stay alive.....
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I stand by what Paul wrote - Stomach and food will be destroyed. Pretty clear. A resurrected person will not eat.
Great, if it makes you feel better, but all I see is a statement that "God will do away with both", i.e., the physical is transitory. There is no claim that this occurs immediately upon death, nor that God's incapable of cutting "his only begotten Son" some slack for a few days - you know, one last challah with the guys.
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Great, if it makes you feel better, but all I see is a statement that "God will do away with both", i.e., the physical is transitory. There is no claim that this occurs immediately upon death, nor that God's incapable of cutting "his only begotten Son" some slack for a few days - you know, one last challah with the guys.


SO Jesus's glorious, incoorruptible , imperishable resurrected body was transitory....

Of course, you are quite right.

Paul claims the physical is transitory, yet many Chistian apologists say that Paul claims a physical resurrection , where our bodies will be transformed into *imperishable* physical bodies.
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Why did Paul use just that phrase …
Perhaps to undermine the implied libertinism in the maxims he quoted?
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