WVIncagold

So what is your evidence the the prophecy is true? Please answer my previous post dealing with the temple mount and sacrifice.

Sheshonq

How can the Jews treat the Palestinians with respect, while simultaneously kicking them off their property and taking their homes?

They were offered a homeland much earlier than WW2 - they didn't want it.

Sheshonq

A claim which has already been shot down with other examples. Fundamentalism and reading comprehension seem to be inversely related. :rolling:

Sheshonq

Then why are there so many denominations?

These denominations don't reject God.

No, they're self-contradictory and easily disproved by those who accept them.

So the choices are:

1. reject the prophecies on the basis of their mistakes and contradictions, thus creating what you call "confusion" and the rest of the world calls "consistency"; or

2. accept the prophecies in spite of the mistakes and contradictions, leading to what you call "clear thought" and the rest of the world calls "cognitive dissonance".

I'll take option #1, thanks.

sugarhitman

"For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of JUDAH and JERUSALEM, ....but Judah shall dwell forever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation."---Joel

"And I will make them ONE NATION in the land upon the mountians of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all: and they shall no more be two nations, neither shall they they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all."---Ezekiel


Oh Spin, for such a "Biblical scholar" as yourself i'm suprised you would make such a blunder.....:wave:

Johnny Skeptic

Actually, in my post #1128, which you and arnoldo conveniently refused to reply to, I showed where you and arnoldo made numerous blunders.

One of your biggest blunders is that you believe that if you can reasonably prove that God can predict the future that it logically follows that he has good character, when in fact it doesn't. Everyone believes that President Bush exists, but that certainly does not mean that he has good character. All Bible prophecies are disputable. No God who had good character would make 100% disputable prophecies. I wish to distinguish disputable prophecies from false prophecies. A false prophecy is a prophecy that does not come true. A disputable prophecy does not necessarily have to be a false prophecy. Even if all Bible prophecies are true prophecies, they have needlessly failed to convince the vast majority of the people in the world that they are true prophecies. If Jesus had accurately predicted what the names of the Roman emperors would be for the next 200 years, and their dates of birth and death, those would have been indisputable prophecies if we were to define indisputable prophecies as prophecies that could not have been made by humans, and would therefore plausibly have been made by a God. Since the New Testament says that Jesus made some predictions, Christians cannot intelligently argue that if Jesus had predicted what I said, that that would have unfairly interfered with people’s free will. If Jesus had predicted what I said, surely more people would have become Christians. That is a reasonable assumption since historically, many people have accepted all kinds of outlandish religions based upon much less convincing evidence than that. In addition, Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce attracted a lot of followers based upon a lot less convincing evidence than that.

In my opinion, no prophecies at all would be much better than 100% disputable prophecies. That is because the Bible says that God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33), and yet Bible prophecies have needlessly caused lots of confusion. You cannot intelligently argue that God is not able to cause less confusion.

I will grant you for the sake of argument that a God inspired the Bible, and that he can predict the future. What step do you propose next?

WVIncagold

So what about the temple and sacrifices? third time will sugarhitman answer?

arnoldo

Your straw man attacks never cease to amaze.

Gullwind

Sorry, that's not what you said. You said:

You are quite clearly referring to those who reject prophecies (and presumably, God by extension) as being subject to confusion. Arnoldo pointed out that the I Corinthians quote only refers to those within the church. The quotes I provided show that God is quite willing to confuse those outside the church.

Ergo, your statement that God is not the author of confusion is misplaced in referring to those who reject prophecy. God is quite clearly willing to author confusion in those who reject him.

spin

Rather than trying to change the subject and cover your ass, read the quote you originally gave from Jeremiah which you claimed was a prophecy and get over the denial.

This is plain. Read Jeremiah 30. Don't change the subject onto other so-called prophecies. Running away won't help you deal with your problems. You know you can't call Judah Israel. All you are doing is tacitly admitting the failure of the prophecy by changing the subject. (Or are you trying to say that god changed his mind about the prophecy? God to sugarhitman: oops, I didn't really mean Israel. Read Joel instead. )

:wave:


spin