Evolutionist

I know there were plenty of councils of bishops to sort out early church doctrine- and the Council of Nicea is arguably the most well known. However- which council dealt with what?

I’ve heard many claim that the Council of Nicea moved the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, made Jesus a god, and decided on the cannon of the bible. To the best of my knowledge- Nicea mostly dealt with Jesus’ character- i.e. man or god.

So- which councils did what?

CJD

creeds from the Seven ecumenical councils

Information on each of the Six and more . . .

(Take the information about "the Councils preceding Nicea" with a grain of salt.)

Enjoy!

Jim Larmore

I've just looked at the web-site and scanned the material there and have found nothing where it shows that the council of Nicea moved the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.

I have heard that the Catholic Church did this . Even in the converts catachism page 54 it says the catholic church changed the solemnity of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, however it doesn't say when or how this was done. It appears the church has gone against God's commandments in that they changed the Sabbath day. This make Sunday a "tradtion" only not a commandment of God. So why is the whole world keeping Sunday???????

CJD

I won't be making any cases here. Sabbatarians tend to argue that the shift from Saturday to Sunday "occurred sometime after 135 AD as a result of an interplay of political, social, pagan and religious factors . . ."

Traditionalists simply argue that the shift is not only practical (in that the Savior was raised on a Sunday) but has biblical warrant and apostolic precedence.

This is taken from the link above:
But consider the following:
Another factor is the manner in which writings and councils are approached. When a specific doctrine or canon law is pronounced, it is rarely the case that that doctrine or law is new, but rather it is a confirmation of what is already occurring. This is especially important when we discuss the matter of canonicity. But that is another thread in itself.

**edited to add the following: The Council of Laodicea is the specific council that Catholics and Sabbatarians argue that the shift in days became "official."

Regards,

CJD

Jim Larmore

I agree with you in that its obvious that when anything is cannonized it has been around a "long" time. I will have to get specific documentation to back up what I'm saying here but the paganistic aspect of sunday worship started from the mergence of christian and pagan practices. "Sunday" was a day to worship the sun ( SUN - DAY ) for pagans and started in ernest with the deification of Nimrod by Semarimus who gave birth to Tammuz. Nimrod (mentioned in the Bible) was a mighty hunter and ruled the first City of Babylon, it seems most pagan traditions and practices originated in Babylon.

There are a host of pagan traditions which have found there way into christian practices, i.e. christmas being observed on the 25th of December, easter, cross bun bread. The amazing thing is most people have no idea this is the case and for the most part it really doesn't matter, However when it comes to the commandments of God it does matter. The fourth commandment plainly states the 7th day is the sabbath. I've searched and searched and there is no place to be found in the Bible which says the day was changed from the 7th to the 1st. We can say we did it to comemorate the resurrection of Christ or the pentacostal tongues of fire decending on the disciples on the 1st day but the truth is its not Biblical to keep it,

God never "inspired" a Biblical writer to say it was changed. I've been wondering about this for a long time and its really bothered me because everyone calls Saturday the "Jewish" Sabbath, but I read in Genesis that God made the 7th day a holy day right after He completed creation. There were no Jews back then only Adam and Eve. When I ask my christian brothers why we keep sunday instead of saturday they just say its always been done this way. so it must be right. Well, just because its always been done this way doesn't make it Biblical and it obviously doesn't make it right. If we follow what our Bibles say then we must conclude that sunday keeping is not what God intended, just like He never told us the soul was immortal. This is just another deceptive lie the tempter has brought in to trip our people up and cause us to err.

Doctor X

Scholars just do not want to admit that creation started on a Tuesday . . . late.

I have tried to find some information on the origin of Sabbath. I had been told by a pretty well-read mentor that it came from a Babylonian "tradition" of not doing work on a certain day of the month because the "demons are about"--do not bother trying, it will be a mess. This was "popular"--so the idea of a "day off" from work caught on.

--J.D.

Jim Larmore

Dr.X

What you are saying may be true but I choose to keep with the Bible to form my opinion on keeping a day Holy. Historically, holy days were kept by the jews to observe ceremonial aspects of the tabernacle and later the temple, but the Sabbath seems to have come in to existence right after creation and this was before Babylon ever existed.

Where did you get this info on creation starting on tuesday.... late? ( or was that ed again?) .

This is another aspect of day keeping in that many will say its impossible to know which day would be the 7th now over all the millenia. I agree to an extent however we can count accurately all the way back to before Jesus' time and the calendar has remained basically the same with some minor changes happening when we went from a Julian to a Gregorian calendar or vice versa. I'm not sure when it was that they had to make a correction due to celestial progression but that didn't change the weekly cycle. We still do it when we have a leap year now, but again the weekly cycle stays the same.

Its really a miracle if you think about it and I almost believe that God has had a hand in maintaining the weekly cycle through the years. Theres certainly no logical reason to hold onto a 7 day week cycle. A ten day cycle would probably work better but the fact we have stayed on the present system speaks for a possible supernatural support of it.

I know you may think this is bunk but I am a christian

Ciao brother

Soul Invictus

The Council of Nicea did not discuss the date of the Sabbath, but rather Easter. Here's a link if you'd like information on the ecumenical councils along with a whole host of information about in general. Peruse the Catholic Encyclopedia at your disposal.

Regards,

Soul Invictus

Doctor X

Jim:

Actually no. The creation myths were recorded during to after the Babylonian exile. I am aware of no tradition of the Sabbath resulting from creation prior to the formation of the texts.

I could tell you . . . but then I would have to immolate you. . . .

Join the ranks of Bishop Usher who did this. I had thought from him we got the infamous "9 AM" as the starting point. Apparently this was a joke from a commentator on the calculations--he linked it to the time his university starts classes . . . the world began with his alma mater. I forget the name of the guy, but someone out there does because he corrected my assignment of the joke to Usher.

Anyways, I hope you realize that if you tread down the path of Young Earth Creationism you will be beset upon by the Demon Who Must Not be Nam'd [Olon.--Ed.] and dragged down to Sheol where they will torture with, like, Diff'rent Strokes reruns. . . .

Then start following the Mayan gods because they gave their followers far more accurate callender.

Oh my . . . take care not to read teleological significance into everything. I would strongly recommend that after you read Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science after you finish Who Wrote the Bible?

--J.D.

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Jim Larmore

I guess I need to clarify myself here. I believe the author of Genesis wrote of the creation of this world in Gen. 1:1 and went through the creation week until God had finished the creation at which time He "rested" and made the day holy , or it actually says He "sanctified" it which is the same thing. Now I know you believe this is a myth. I undersand that, I on the other hand believe it to be factual and I believe Moses' inspiration of the account places the introduction of the institution of the Sabbath before the Babylonic exile, ( i.e. creation was way before the Babyloniam exile ) I understand that archeological evidence at this time may point that creation "myths" may not have been recorded until after the Babylonian exile, however I believe in what the Bible says and I believe Moses wrote what God told him too concerning this.

p.s. cute response ed