schilling.klaus

[QUOTE=Roger Pearse;5126491]Heretics taught true Christianity,
orrthodoxers perverted and corrupted it
for sociopolitical reasons

there's no reason to ever trust an Eusebius guilder.

Klaus Schilling

gurugeorge

Klaus, I do agree with you overall, but I don't see you doing anything around here to substantiate that (IMHO probably true) opinion other than making these sorts of throwaway, declamatory statements, and statements like this:

Which to me is a bit rude to a degree that goes beyond the kind of typical forum "fun" rudeness that we all enjoy around here - it comes across as offhandedly contemptuous in a way that Roger doesn't deserve (and I say that as someone who has big disagreements with him).

To put it another way, the way you present a position close to the one I hold myself makes me a bit embarrassed. I know (from passing acquaintance of some other boards) that you have more detailed knowledge of this stuff. I'd say the same thing to you as I've said to people like Roger and Jeffrey Gibson - share the stuff you know, otherwise you give the impression that you are rather grumpily condescending to talk to people you consider to be your inferiors, and that just doesn't come across very well.

Speaking for myself (but I'm sure most people here would say the same) I love to see little nuggets of fact and arguments that give food for thought. These quick dismissals of yours don't contribute in that way, they just look like statements of faith.

aa5874

What is true Christianity? Or easier, can you name a true Christian, today? I don't know any true Christians. And, after reading from orthodox and non-orthodox sources, it would appear to me that Christianity as it is presented, now, is either a perversion of truth or based on myth and legend.

And it seems as though politicians may be the ones who determine true Christianity. Constantine may have done it in the 4th century, and possibly King Henry VIII, after he was denied a request to divorce his wife.

andrewcriddle

IF Epiphanius is reliable then groups like the Borborites/Phibionites were very very weird indeed.

On the other hand Epiphanius' account resembles modern claims about Satanic Ritual Abuse to an extent that may undermine its credibility.

Andrew Criddle

Roger Pearse

Weren't the Borborites the group where some of the women tried to seduce him?

All the best,

Roger Pearse

andrewcriddle

According to his account, yes.

Andrew Criddle

Roger Pearse

Why doesn't that ever happen to me?

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Yellum Notnef

Maybe it's because you have chosen to align yourself with a particular group of religious weirdos who think sex with girls is icky?

JoeWallack

JW:
We will now start our holy examination of the little known Early Christian Book, eH P's (Epiphanius) Lovingly crafted, Panarion, which is a collection of Ancient, Mysterious and Secret Christian rites preserved by Dark and Secluded Eldritch Church Elders. The Book is said to describe Magical chants and Incantations from time immemorial given to the first Christians by those beyond our Dimensions of Time and Space. In Order to help keep this Book secret Christianity has never made it freely available in English and the price to purchase it (in addition to your Immortal soul) is greater than barrels of oil.
This Thread will be Dedicated primarily to Revealing the Dark Secrets of the Panarion. Epiphanius lived in the 4th century and was a severe critic of fellow Christians. As the anonymous speaker said at the town hall meeting in Tuna, Texas, Epiphanius welcomed all orthodox Christians. As long as they were the right type of orthodox.

First, a warning though:

WARNING

Do not read what follows if you are in poor health or squeamish. Roger Pearse has provided a valuable public service to the Unfaithful here by warning of, to use the words of Mr. Thompson to Rick Gassko, vile, disgusting and degenerate practices of the non-orthodox described by eHP that even Jigsaw said he draws the line at. So I urge all who have their doubts to stop reading this now unless you ever wrote a speech for the Reverend Wright or voted for Bush in either of the last two elections. As further inducement to help maintain your sanity, keep in mind that in order to be properly inspired before writing and demonstrate that the Barbaric practices reported on were abhorrent to the God of the Jewish Bible, eHP Ritualistically drank the blood and ate the flesh of a son sacrificed to a god, all of which is Explicitly abhorrent to the God of the Jewish Bible.

For those few who God knows why, have decided to continue, keep in mind that the context of what follows is eHP thinking he is describing the evil and wicked superstitious and dangerous nonsense believed by non-orthodox in contrast to the righteous and blessed scientific and helpful logic of orthodox Christianity. And so, without further Adamieu, I present Epiphanius, Da Bishop of Salamis. Enjoy!:

THE PANARION OF EPIPHANIUS OF SALAMIS (or via: amazon.co.uk)

Translated by Frank Williams

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Joseph

MAGIC, n.
An art of converting superstition into coin. There are other arts serving the same high purpose, but the discreet lexicographer does not name them.

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JoeWallack

JW:

THE PANARION OF EPIPHANIUS OF SALAMIS (or via: amazon.co.uk)

Translated by Frank Williams

Page 28

JW:
What is illustrative here is that eHP starts with the Assumption that the original author is correct and than tries to explain why the Manuscript evidence contains an error which is not from the original author. A requirement for Bishopship was probably to have just such an attitude. Origen, writing at an earlier and more honest time, confesses to us that in his time and presumably before, the Gospels were filled with errors regarding names and a study of early manuscript genealogies indicates that names with lots of Js, As, Cs, Ks. As, As, Es and Zs have always been stumbling blocks for Christians. Early Heroes and Brave and Truthful critics of Christianity such as the Blessed Celsus and Polycarp, were having field days pointing out all such Begetting errors and that is why eHP was sensitive to the Issue (so to speak).

Regarding eHP's Apology here that the History was a Jeconiah, son of Jeconiah, that was omitted in the TransMission of Manuscript evidence, note that as far as we know eHP had no evidence whatsoever to base this Assertian on and it is extremely unlikely that a son would be named after a father at this time, yet eHP presents his Apology as if it is a fact.

In evaluating the Credibility of the Church as an Institution regarding early Christian Assertians, the Objective student should consider whether eHP is representative of Christian scholarship of his time and earlier which shows a BackAsswords approach to the relationship of Evidence and Conclusions. Start with the Conclusion and than present the evidence (Advocate).



Joseph

BIRTH, n.
The first and direst of all disasters. As to the nature of it there appears to be no uniformity. Castor and Pollux were born from the egg. Pallas came out of a skull. Galatea was once a block of stone. Peresilis, who wrote in the tenth century, avers that he grew up out of the ground where a priest had spilled holy water. It is known that Arimaxus was derived from a hole in the earth, made by a stroke of lightning. Leucomedon was the son of a cavern in Mount Aetna, and I have myself seen a man come out of a wine cellar.

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