UberLutheran

Sort of like those... ...Lutherans, huh?

Every time I see posts by people like you, I become very glad that Luther posted those 95 Theses on the door of Wittenburg Cathedral in 1517. Luther may not have gotten it right on the status of women and Jews (and my synod, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, has repudiated Luther for his stances on those subjects); but he certainly got it right on corruption within a very worldly and very power-hungry Roman Catholic Church which seems hell-bent on re-consolidating its power.

And before you whine and start saying that "I hate Catholics" — actually, I like Catholics very much. My partner is a Catholic. My parish shared our space to a Roman Catholic parish whose sanctuary burned down until they could rebuild. I like individual Catholic parishes very much (and we work with them). I do not like the Pope, and I do not like the rigid, increasingly authoritarian Catholic hierarchy and power structure.

seebs

Apologist, go talk to a priest. I do not have the training to explain this stuff correctly.

I will, however, point out that you have serious misunderstandings of the faith. You are very much in the category of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"; you know just enough about Catholic doctrine to make all the mistakes that are typical of laymen.

TALK. TO. YOUR. PRIEST.

Go tell him that you think facism is compatible with Catholicism. Seriously. Go explain that people who are wrong need to be killed. Try it! See how he takes it.

UberLutheran

Well, THAT was certainly an astute observation.

Apologist

Absolutely. Rest you assured that it burns me up that the government at the time was fuedalistic. If they would have had Fascist states back then, Luther would have been executed, and all of those sorts of things would have been prevented.

UberLutheran

No offense, seebs — but do you really think that Apologist is going to talk to any priest — or for that matter, anybody in authority within the Church — whom Apologist hasn't made very sure doesn't agree with him, first?

UberLutheran

Then all I have to say is (and I'll say it loudly to make sure you hear this):

THANK GOD FOR MARTIN LUTHER!

By the way — what do you intend to do with all the millions of us who have absolutely no intention of doing what you say — and will fight you to the death to keep you from instituting your Catholic Fascist state? We outnumber you — many, many thousands to one.

Apologist

Translation: You have no idea what you are talking about.

Towards? The Sanctity of life? Fascism is no more against the Sanctity of life than a Democracy. If anything, Fascism is a lot friendlier to the sanctity of life than Democracy insofar as it holds humanity to ideals that are very similar to that of Christianity. Have you read the doctrine of Fascism?

Towards subsidiarity? Humans as individuals are incapable of achieving those ends towards which Fascism tends.

Towards ecumenism? Ecumenism isn't doctrine. That is a novelty.

What do you think happened in the Inquisition?

Splarnst

I suppose my comments on infallibilty will remain unchallenged.

UberLutheran

Actually, I think it's the other way around. It sounds like you've been skipping out on your meds again.


Maybe you've got something there. After all:

Look what Hitler did to help solve the problem of Jewish population control!

And what Mussolini did to trade unionists, leftists and Masons!

And to think that Mussolini was hanged and Hitler and Eva shot themselves before being captured by the Soviets or the Americans!

Read. My. Lips.

We outnumber you many, many thousands (tens of thousands) to one. We're not going to do what you want. We're not going to do what you say. We don't even really care what you say. So, go stamp your feet, block the bridge, and demand a toll for crossing — but nobody is going to pay attention to you or give you a thing you think you're specially entitled to.

Apologist

I have no concern whatsoever as to the welfare of a bunch of infidels.

The government has a rightful authority to retain order within it's dominion. At the time, the government was fascist, and trade unionists and leftists were a threat to that order. At that time, trade unionism and leftism was treason. Mussolini acted out of rightful authority.

Heresy should be punished.

We are a fourth to a third of this nation, and a sixth of the entire worldwide population.