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Old 09-23-2009, 10:46 AM   #191
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You have no concern that the pagans (who invented this ritual) used to kill their own children in the name of the pagan gods?
Why don't you have any concern that the Jews did the same thing? They even did it to the non-Jews they conquered - read Numbers 31.



It was hijacked because it might have been a popular pagan holiday. Just like Easter. Actually, Easter is the reason Passover is celebrated. Passover is always the first Friday after the first full moon of the first day of spring. More paganism. The Exodus is a made up tale for Jews to celebrate the year's first harvest.



And Friday means Frigg's day. Every day of the week belongs to and is named after a pagan god.



What's the reason for Christians celebrating Saturnalia (i.e. Christmas)?

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Maybe atheists should invent their own special holiday since they want to distance themselves from religion?
Christians should probably do the same.
I don't know why these bogus Christians celebrate pagan festivals. I don't.

God said do not celebrate around a decorated tree. I don't.

God said do not cut down a tree from the forest and fasten it with nails, and do not decorate it with silver and gold. I don't.

I don't celebrate Easter or Halloween either.

Halloween is obviously Satan's holiday. Because I don't know of many Christians who worship in darkness and unholiness.

It's totally acceptable to dress as Satan on Halloween, but when a kid dresses as Jesus.. the school board sent him home. Do you want the story?

Modern society embraces the Satan figure, but they are quick to dismiss Jesus.

Christ said Many will say Oh Lord, dear Lord, But I will not hear them.

I believe he is talking about the evildoers.
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:47 AM   #192
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Trust me, I have made myself perfectly clear about the decoration of a Christmas Tree, or the Halloween festival, or even Easter.

Jesus wasn't born on December 25th. I don't know why Christianity hi-jacked this date. But.. with that being said, Christians are within their right to celebrate Jesus' birthday on any day they choose. Christmas means A mass for Christ.

What's an atheists reason for celebrating a religious holiday?

Maybe atheists should invent their own special holiday since they want to distance themselves from religion?

Just a thought.. :huh:
Like Festivus? With the Festivus Pole, the Airing of Grievances and the Feats of Strength?

Seriously, Christmas is a cultural holiday. My neo-pagan fiancee and I celebrate it because it's when our families like to get together and people exchange gifts and have merriment. It's enjoyable. And I always point out that Santa, much like Karl Marx, loves the color red, has a mighty beard and goes around the world redistributing wealth.

Since this is BC&H, it's worth pointing out that Christians hijacked the holiday because, when they converted the Roman Empire en masse, people weren't interested in giving up their entire culture. So the Church, which was always pragmatic and cynical about these things to begin with, stuck a Christian label on it and let people go about their business. The same thing happened with a lot of pagan gods, who conveniently were converted into saints.
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Are you seriously saying you don't know this? Or is this just another figure of speech? There are very clear reasons why this was done so. It's history, pure and simple. As a Christian, I would hope you would know this.

What's an atheist's reason for celebrating a religious holiday? NONE, we shouldn't do so.

But then again, as I've pointed out, Christmas and Easter are not RELIGIOUS HOLY DAYS.
Well, atheists do celebrate around a Christmas tree every year. If atheists really want to distance themself from religion.. then why celebrate a religious holiday? It sounds like some atheists want their cake and eat it too. Oh we don't celebrate Christmas, we just enjoy celebrating around a tree with friends and family members.. we enjoy exchanging gifts, and watching the Christmas story..etc,etc

Satan is pleased with your ways.

In the atheist mind, it's ok to celebrate Christmas, but keep the CHRIST part out of it.
Didn't I already establish that Christmas isn't Christian?

Didn't YOU claim not to use/decorate a tree because it wasn't Christian?

You're painting yourself into a corner.

If anything Satan is pleased by all the Christians that have embraced all the pagan rituals disguised as religious.
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Halloween is obviously Satan's holiday. Because I don't know of many Christians who worship in darkness and unholiness.

It's totally acceptable to dress as Satan on Halloween, but when a kid dresses as Jesus.. the school board sent him home. Do you want the story?
Heh. "Halloween" comes from "All hollow's eve" which is the day (or eve; night) before "all hallow's day" - i.e. All Saints Day, November 1st.
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Why don't you have any concern that the Jews did the same thing? They even did it to the non-Jews they conquered - read Numbers 31.



It was hijacked because it might have been a popular pagan holiday. Just like Easter. Actually, Easter is the reason Passover is celebrated. Passover is always the first Friday after the first full moon of the first day of spring. More paganism. The Exodus is a made up tale for Jews to celebrate the year's first harvest.



And Friday means Frigg's day. Every day of the week belongs to and is named after a pagan god.



What's the reason for Christians celebrating Saturnalia (i.e. Christmas)?



Christians should probably do the same.
I don't know why these bogus Christians celebrate pagan festivals. I don't.

God said do not celebrate around a decorated tree. I don't.

God said do not cut down a tree from the forest and fasten it with nails, and do not decorate it with silver and gold. I don't.

I don't celebrate Easter or Halloween either.

Halloween is obviously Satan's holiday. Because I don't know of many Christians who worship in darkness and unholiness.

It's totally acceptable to dress as Satan on Halloween, but when a kid dresses as Jesus.. the school board sent him home. Do you want the story?

Modern society embraces the Satan figure, but they are quick to dismiss Jesus.
And now you're calling the majority of Christians bogus???

Seriously, what do you believe the percentage of Christians that DON'T celebrate Christmas and Easter is?

Do you not think of these Christians as "true" Christians? Are they doomed to hell or just a little misguided?
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Didn't I already establish that Christmas isn't Christian?
The Christmas tradition is not Christian, but the very word "Christmas" is Christian because it translates into "A Mass for Christ." But while these Christians are celebrating a Mass for their Savior, they are doing so by immitating pagan holidays. Which I am strongly against.

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Didn't YOU claim not to use/decorate a tree because it wasn't Christian?
Yes, I did. Celebrating around a tree originated in pagan times. And we all know Lord Jehovah despised the pagans for their evil ways. He even commanded the Jews to invade their Land, and put an end to these festivals. But meanwhile, 3000 years later Christians have adapted this religious festival. It just doesnt make sense to me.

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If anything Satan is pleased by all the Christians that have embraced all the pagan rituals disguised as religious.
For some reason, I can agree with you on this one.
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Why modern Christians display Christmas trees in their house every December 25th just baffles me. That is strictly going against the LAWS of GOD.
It seems to me, you are a bit too easily baffled.
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Why don't you have any concern that the Jews did the same thing? They even did it to the non-Jews they conquered - read Numbers 31.



It was hijacked because it might have been a popular pagan holiday. Just like Easter. Actually, Easter is the reason Passover is celebrated. Passover is always the first Friday after the first full moon of the first day of spring. More paganism. The Exodus is a made up tale for Jews to celebrate the year's first harvest.



And Friday means Frigg's day. Every day of the week belongs to and is named after a pagan god.



What's the reason for Christians celebrating Saturnalia (i.e. Christmas)?



Christians should probably do the same.
I don't know why these bogus Christians celebrate pagan festivals. I don't.

God said do not celebrate around a decorated tree. I don't.

God said do not cut down a tree from the forest and fasten it with nails, and do not decorate it with silver and gold. I don't.

I don't celebrate Easter or Halloween either.

Halloween is obviously Satan's holiday. Because I don't know of many Christians who worship in darkness and unholiness.

It's totally acceptable to dress as Satan on Halloween, but when a kid dresses as Jesus.. the school board sent him home. Do you want the story?

Modern society embraces the Satan figure, but they are quick to dismiss Jesus.

Christ said Many will say Oh Lord, dear Lord, But I will not hear them.

I believe he is talking about the evildoers.
If it is actually important to you to do as you think "god" has instructed, why are you so selective about it?


The unending stream of slanderous insults that you your invent to hurl at your fellow humans really doesnt seem all that much like what your god supposedly suggested.

Isnt there one kind of like this?

And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them ...."


oh and..


Thous shalt not bear false witness...?

Is there a reason to worry about the sin of having a tree in the house and not about those rules, which seem like they might be more important?
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And now you're calling the majority of Christians bogus???
The Christians that display trees in their household. Yes, they are bogus, or too stupid to actually know the words of GOD.

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Seriously, what do you believe the percentage of Christians that DON'T celebrate Christmas and Easter is?
I'm going to take a shot in the dark because that is a question that is almost impossible to know. Probably under 5%?

I went to High school with a kid who's family did not celebrate Christmas, Easter..etc,etc, Because of the Laws in the O.T

Jesus said "Very few shall enter into the Kingdom of God."

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Well, for starters, I honestly believe these Christians are misguided, or uninformed about the bible. I know they are NOT deliberatly celebrating pagan rituals, but by the same token, they are disobeying the commandment of God.

When God said do not celebrate around a decorated tree. That was a command.. not a suggestion.
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Why modern Christians display Christmas trees in their house every December 25th just baffles me. That is strictly going against the LAWS of GOD.
It seems to me, you are a bit too easily baffled.
How do you figure I am easily baffled? I'm showing how God condemns something, and yet, modern Christians disreguard it and do as they wish.

How does this baffle you?

Curiosity..
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