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Old 07-07-2004, 06:20 PM   #301
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All humans deserve hell, because all have sinned. You should know this by now.
Nice try at a dodge. However, you specifically said that Hitler deserved death for his crimes.

Which crimes would that be?
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Old 07-07-2004, 06:23 PM   #302
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All humans are already condemned to Hell by their own sin.
Except that babies can't sin.

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So would you have the child even if it was fully his choice to go to hell? If not, then why?
Yes, because if I never had him, he would never exist to be able to make a choice.
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Except that babies can't sin.

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Sure they can. Babies are selfish. Now obviously the baby can't control that, which is why I don't believe they are held accountable, but they are still born with a sinful nature.
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Old 07-07-2004, 06:52 PM   #305
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Yes, because if I never had him, he would never exist to be able to make a choice.
You'd rather your child go to hell as opposed to not existing at all simply because you want them to make a choice? If I'm not understanding you correctly then by all means correct me.
 
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You'd rather your child go to hell as opposed to not existing at all simply because you want them to make a choice? If I'm not understanding you correctly then by all means correct me.
If no human that will ever choose hell is born, how can the ones that do end up in Heaven, make that choice?
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Sure they can. Babies are selfish. Now obviously the baby can't control that, which is why I don't believe they are held accountable, but they are still born with a sinful nature.
Hey I agree, Darn those selfish babies! Laying around nursing and poopin' and whining! Burn in hell you lil' bratty smelly twerps concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself : seeking or concentrating on one's own advantage, pleasure, or well-being without regard for others That's helpless, Magus55, not being selfish!
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Hey I agree, Darn those selfish babies! Laying around nursing and poopin' and whining! Burn in hell you lil' bratty smelly twerps concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself : seeking or concentrating on one's own advantage, pleasure, or well-being without regard for others That's helpless, Magus55, not being selfish!
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I spent a decade as a fundy, and grew up Methodist, so I'll give you a hint...I know the jargon.

Tell you what, you show me how to seriously take the flood fantasy and Joshua's solar object demands (that no other society seemed to have noticed) in light of our knowledge of history, geology, and archeology and I'll think about it being a possibility again... See, once you give up the perfect canon notion, the rest can crumble so very easily.

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Oh I figured you knew the jargon!!

The flood is myth and as an believer you should have been building an ark (instead of proclaiming selfrighteousness) that would have carried you through the storm of your life and placed you now at the other side of slavery. The flood is not fantasy because myths are real and you are actually the living proof of it. Nothing personal here but just the simple fact that faith can only be faith if there is truth behind it.
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Old 07-07-2004, 08:39 PM   #310
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This thread seems to have become an exploration of Magus55 personal religious beliefs, so I am sending it to GRD.

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