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Old 08-04-2010, 10:37 AM   #1
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http://www.judaismvschristianity.com/paulthe.htm
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:13 PM   #2
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What do you want to discuss about this?

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Yahshua (Jesus)* and Judaism
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Paul and Christianity
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Are you like me in that while you were raised in a God fearing environment, you knew some truth existed in the doctrines you had become familiar with, yet at the same time some things just didn't add up? And, when you ask the difficult questions are you tired of being told in so many words that the height of all understanding is understanding that you don't understand? If this sounds like you, welcome to this home page for the ongoing writing of my book, Yahshua/Jesus and Judaism versus Paul and Christianity.

In spite of the fact we as humans cannot know everything, it is absolutely necessary that we make sense of what we do claim to know. What we tout as fact must add up and be consistent within itself. Solomon said;
Everyone raised Christian, who starts to think, feels some internal tension - things don't make sense. But the idea that there is some truth out there is hard to give up. So you have an army of theologians trying to fit the pieces of the puzzle together, as if this were a prepackaged jigsaw puzzle laid out by a designer, and if you can just find the right way of arranging the pieces, you will see a coherent, beautiful picture...

And some of these people are very smart, and can find ways of making the pieces almost fit together, without having to admit that there was no desginer, and no coherent picture is going to emerge.

What a waste of brainpower.
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Nothing specific. I was hoping that some of the resident experts would comment on the article.
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This website assumes that the portrait of Jesus in the gospels is accurate and true, and that Jesus was really Jewish, and that Paul was a later scoundrel who hijacked the Christian movement and made it into the corrupt paganized religion of the Roman empire.

This is a common theme among many commentators. But notice that it is based on an assumption - that the gospels are true. It also assumes that Paul's letters have not been tampered with. If neither of these assumptions is true, where does that leave you?
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This website assumes that the portrait of Jesus in the gospels is accurate and true, and that Jesus was really Jewish, and that Paul was a later scoundrel who hijacked the Christian movement and made it into the corrupt paganized religion of the Roman empire.

This is a common theme among many commentators. But notice that it is based on an assumption - that the gospels are true. It also assumes that Paul's letters have not been tampered with. If neither of these assumptions is true, where does that leave you?
But is it not an assumption that the Pauline letters were early and manipulated later?

It cannot be assumed the Pauline writings were early and then assume that they were tampered with at a later date.

There is just NO external corroborative source for the Pauline writings BEFORE the Fall of the Temple only ASSUMPTIONS.

If the Pauline writings were LATE where does that leave you?
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Hi.
I read thru that site a couple of years ago.
It started out ok but I think later on it got into end times and then I noticed that his prediction time had already lapsed and there was no comment or updates since then.
I sort of wondered if he had changed his mind
In the end he, as Toto said, is just someone like us trying to hope for a grain or kernel of truth in what we have been brainwashed in.
I am starting to think that there is nothing in the centre at all. The foundations of the church are crumbling to dust. The building will remain as a shell tho cause people will still believe something that gives them hope even if there is no truth in it.
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Thank you Johnny, for this link.

Much appreciated. I read it, and found somethings of interest.
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Since I am neither resident, nor, certainly, any kind of expert, I will refrain from commenting on the merits of the article, per se.


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Everyone raised Christian, who starts to think, feels some internal tension - things don't make sense. But the idea that there is some truth out there is hard to give up. So you have an army of theologians trying to fit the pieces of the puzzle together, as if this were a prepackaged jigsaw puzzle laid out by a designer, and if you can just find the right way of arranging the pieces, you will see a coherent, beautiful picture...

And some of these people are very smart, and can find ways of making the pieces almost fit together, without having to admit that there was no desginer, and no coherent picture is going to emerge.

What a waste of brainpower.
Quite brilliant, in my opinion.

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I am starting to think that there is nothing in the centre at all. The foundations of the church are crumbling to dust. The building will remain as a shell tho cause people will still believe something that gives them hope even if there is no truth in it.
Agree. Well written. Thanks.

It is interesting that so many people still believe, fervently, in Christianity. I am looking back, at our ancestors, the pagans, and wondering, how they could have been seduced by any aspect of Judaism? In my view, Christianity is a sect of Judaism. I just cannot fathom anyone in their right mind accepting that doggerel as believable, yet, more than a billion people do, and if one adds another billion Muslims, who are also, in my opinion, another Jewish sect, then we are looking at HALF of the world's people believing this crap.

However, the influence is far greater than half of the world. Jews control USA. Completely. Not even a doubt about it.

The only buffer against them, the Chinese, are subservient before their Jewish masters. I don't know why. If I had been in command of the Red Army, when the Jews murdered the innocent Chinese observer in Lebanon last year, I would have rained holy terror on the damned Israelis.

The Chinese are biding their time. Eventually, they will act. When they do, there will be a hue and cry against them, of course, but, in my opinion, they represent the ONLY hope of rational progress against the jews.

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China has done some bad stuff itself, like shoot Tibetans who try to leave China.
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China has done some bad stuff itself, like shoot Tibetans who try to leave China.
Whilst I agree with you it is interesting to note that most developed countries got their mass killings done hundreds of years ago when the world was a different place and don't need to these days - lucky them.
China and others are late to the table - sucks to be them.
I laugh when I hear the USA etc complaining about human rights - they hid theirs under the carpet lol.
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