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Old 11-15-2012, 09:15 PM   #41
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So where's the money? The real deal?

Can you provide a verse reference or quote?
Somwhere I remember about one of the few mentions of money in the NT. Let's see. Oh, yes. It was in the temple. Apparently lots of it. Someone was making a profit from whatever shenanigans were going on. Maybe someone can fill me in on what the moeny was doing there.
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Somwhere I remember about one of the few mentions of money in the NT. Let's see. Oh, yes. It was in the temple. Apparently lots of it. Someone was making a profit from whatever shenanigans were going on. Maybe someone can fill me in on what the moeny was doing there.

Saducees and the Pharisees were raping tithes and charging huge taxes working hand in hand with romans enjoying roman muscle to help extort as much money as they could from the population

corruotion was everywhere in the temple.


passover was like a modern day rock concert, generating more money then they made all years. Its why peace was demanded, and making two protest woul dget you killed and placed on a cross as a example of what not to do
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The question is, how did we get from El to YHWH,
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in times of war people devoted their lives to this warrior god to help save them.


after 400 years some people wanted yahweh to have all of Els attributes thinking he would be more powerful. 800 BC we see this already in place, but not mainstream.

after 622 when strict yahwist forced monotheism down the societies throat, yahweh had taken on all deities traits
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Somwhere I remember about one of the few mentions of money in the NT. Let's see. Oh, yes. It was in the temple. Apparently lots of it. Someone was making a profit from whatever shenanigans were going on. Maybe someone can fill me in on what the moeny was doing there.

Saducees and the Pharisees were raping tithes and charging huge taxes working hand in hand with romans enjoying roman muscle to help extort as much money as they could from the population

corruotion was everywhere in the temple.


passover was like a modern day rock concert, generating more money then they made all years. Its why peace was demanded, and making two protest woul dget you killed and placed on a cross as a example of what not to do


Ah, but were they not talking about the temple of his mind in the context presented? where now 'industious ambitions' must be transformed into 'pagan principles' wherein pagan means 'philosphical' instead of just [extortionist] rational?
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Saducees and the Pharisees were raping tithes and charging huge taxes working hand in hand with romans enjoying roman muscle to help extort as much money as they could from the population

corruotion was everywhere in the temple.


passover was like a modern day rock concert, generating more money then they made all years. Its why peace was demanded, and making two protest woul dget you killed and placed on a cross as a example of what not to do


Ah, but were they not talking about the temple of his mind in the context presented? where now 'industious ambitions' must be transformed into 'pagan principles' wherein pagan means 'philosphical' instead of just [extortionist] rational?
I apologize. I used to think that you were seriously trying to explain something. I now see you're just jerking our chains.
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Saducees and the Pharisees were raping tithes and charging huge taxes working hand in hand with romans enjoying roman muscle to help extort as much money as they could from the population

corruotion was everywhere in the temple.


passover was like a modern day rock concert, generating more money then they made all years. Its why peace was demanded, and making two protest woul dget you killed and placed on a cross as a example of what not to do


Ah, but were they not talking about the temple of his mind in the context presented? where now 'industious ambitions' must be transformed into 'pagan principles' wherein pagan means 'philosphical' instead of just [extortionist] rational?
I apologize. I used to think that you were seriously trying to explain something. I now see you're just jerking our chains.
But wait a second. Typically here is that religion was taxing and extorting from all directions wherein the saducees and pharisees were the driving force that we call [intuit] faith working together with the romans that we call reason. This so becomes 'tradition' that now makes the temple ruckess a total expulsion of faith in the mind of the believer and a dead-stop end of religion for him . . . kind of like Paul on his way to Damascus that for them was near the end of the world.
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That's for sure. I can just picture the compilers of the OT rolfing all over the place as they cobbled together their history of the Hebrew people and fashioned those intriguing customs for them.
The Torah mentions almost nothing about marriage. 8 mere mentions. And lots about sacrifices, sacrifices and more sacrifices and what goodies from these sacrifices the priests got to eat and what bits were to be burnt for an offering to God. Obviously, this was all written by priests for priests. Ingersoll went into this in great detail well over a century ago.

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Marriage didn't become a Xtian sacrament until the 12th cen.

The reason given(or speculated on) was that since any family not a relation was potentially an enemy and therefore marriage was too sensitive a matter for priests.
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That's for sure. I can just picture the compilers of the OT rolfing all over the place as they cobbled together their history of the Hebrew people and fashioned those intriguing customs for them.
The Torah mentions almost nothing about marriage. 8 mere mentions. And lots about sacrifices, sacrifices and more sacrifices and what goodies from these sacrifices the priests got to eat and what bits were to be burnt for an offering to God. Obviously, this was all written by priests for priests. Ingersoll went into this in great detail well over a century ago.

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Marriage didn't become a Xtian sacrament
Like a Muslim pig.
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The question is, how did we get from El to YHWH,
easy enough

in times of war people devoted their lives to this warrior god to help save them.


after 400 years some people wanted yahweh to have all of Els attributes thinking he would be more powerful. 800 BC we see this already in place, but not mainstream.

after 622 when strict yahwist forced monotheism down the societies throat, yahweh had taken on all deities traits
It may not be that easy. Yahu is an ancinet name for some God that pops up commonly. The Jews that fled the destruction of Jerusalem and ended up with a well known temple in Egypt on the Elephanntine Islannd called their God, Yahu, circa 600
BCE. Yahu is a common combinatory element in mayn ancient Israelite names.
Yahu seems to predate YHWH by quite some time, but such names often mutate so its hard to tell what happened, when, how or why. Or why such names became predominate while El disappeared for the most part. One theory I have seen (I don't know how much faith I should put into it) thinks that it was a Northern Semite honorific meaning The Creator. Dzu Yahweh By adopting the honorific, it meant that El could be dispensed with, jettisoning all connections with ancient shaggy dog tale theologies of the El myth cycle that some Israelites stubbornly would not forget in toto. Or maybe not. well over 3000 fertility idols have been excavated in the immediate neighborhood of Jerusalem in the early Jewish era. The YHWH faction went to war with the polytheists of anncient judah and eventually won, stamping polytheism out over many centuries. But where did YHWH come from and how? We just don't know.
and obviously the YHWHites would not want anybody to know that for obvious reasons.
all we can do is sift the not so trustworthy and meager clues.
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and who gets to eat what goodies from these sacrifices
Free eats. Super. Well, hardly free, when you've done all that unpleasant work.

So where's the money? The real deal?

Can you provide a verse reference or quote?
Read Leviticus, Chapters 1 through 10.
Bring some munchies, it may take you awhile.

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