Sheshonq

Oh, yeah? Prove it.

That isn't what the evidence indicates. For that matter, it isn't even what the gospels indicate.

Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: Micah 5:2 says "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." If the Jews believed that the messiah would become ruler of Israel in this life, which I believe that they did, God deceived them.

Although Christians blame the Jews for not knowing who Jesus was, it was God's fault. If Micah had said that the messiah would become ruler of a heavenly kingdom, and that he would heal people, and that he would be crucified and rise from the dead in three days, and that Pontius Pilate would become governor of Palestine, there are not any doubts whatsoever that a lot more Jews would have accepted Jesus.

No Christian can intelligently that God wants people to believe that he can predict the future. Since a God would not have any trouble at all convincing everyone that he is able to predict the future, you obviously do not have any idea whatsoever what he is talking about. One advantage of being a God is that you are able to accomplish whatever you want to accomplish.

By the way, there is not any credible historical evidence that more than relative handful of Jews became Christians.

Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: Are you trying to make a case that since God is able to predict the future that that means that he has good character?

arnoldo

Since the OT was translated from Hebrew to Greek Agustin actually explains the meaning of the greek in the Abrahamic promise to give the land "forever."

In any event this promise of the Land to the seed of Abraham, in light of the fact that the State of Israel exists today, can be seen as either an indicator that prophecy will be fulfilled in the near future or simply as self fulfilled prophecy. Time will tell.

Sheshonq

No, he does not. He talks about Greek and Latin, and never mentions Hebrew. Did you really think you could just make shit up and not get caught red-handed?

"In any event..." is arnoldo-speak. It's a sure sign that someone has confronted you with an inconvenient fact or a contradiction.....

Actually, this is just a re-statement of your previously unproven claim. As such, it is worthless.

Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: Are you trying to make a case that since God is able to predict the future that that means that he has good character?

sugarhitman

It's amazing that people will reject the obvious even when it is staring them in the face. Israel is restored just as predicted. The nations are trying to take this land from them as predicted. The Global Community is uniting against Israel as foretold. And yet the naysayers say it is not so! Now I understand why those in the desert were not convinced of God and His power even though He performed great miracles before them. Now I understand why there were many who rejected Jesus even though He did what He did to prove Himself. And finally I now understand why they reject the Word even though it is backed by proven prophecies.....the unbelievers will not be convinced.....because they do not want to be. :wave:

makerowner

Then why do you keep coming here? :wave:

Johnny Skeptic

Ok, if you are right, what is the next step? Does that automatically mean that God has good character because he is able to predict the future?

If God restored Israel, that is valid grounds for people to reject him for playing favorites, and for turning his back on everyone else in the world during Old Testament times.

Micah 5:2 says "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." If the Jews believed that the messiah would become ruler of Israel in this life, which I believe that they did, God deceived them.

Although Christians blame the Jews for not knowing who Jesus was, it was God's fault. If Micah had said that the messiah would become ruler of a heavenly kingdom, and that he would heal people, and that he would be crucified and rise from the dead in three days, and that Pontius Pilate would become governor of Palestine, there are not any doubts whatsoever that a lot more Jews would have accepted Jesus.

No Christian can intelligently that God wants people to believe that he can predict the future. Since a God would not have any trouble at all convincing everyone that he is able to predict the future, you obviously do not have any idea whatsoever what he is talking about. One advantage of being a God is that you are able to accomplish whatever you want to accomplish.

It is difficult to have discussions with you because you usually make assertions and refuse to actually discuss what skeptics say. Your frequest evasiveness shows that you are not nearly as confident of your arguments as you pretend you are. The undecided crowd are not impressed by your evasiveness, and that crowd is the only crowd that you have much of a chance of influencing. So, by all means, please continue to refuse to reply to my arguments since that will ensure that none of the undecided crowd will agree with what you say. You would be helpless in a live debate before an audience because you would not be able to be evasive.

angelo

Listen, the rapture is about to happen anytime now. So you might as well hand over to me, any assets you may have. Where you're going you won't be needing them. Cash will be accepted very willingly. You have better hurry cause as it was said. It will come like a thief in the night, and your not ready, are you? I can be contacted on this forum.