aa5874

In the Pauline writings it is claimed Jesus died for our sins.

Romans 5:8 1Corinthians 15:3 - Well, the Pauline writer must be Lying because he did state Jesus SURVIVED the Crucifixion.

He and OVER 500 people WITNESSED Jesus ALIVE.

If Paul is truthful that he and OVER 500 people AT ONCE saw Jesus ALIVE then Jesus did NOT die for our sins at the time Paul made the claim.

Paul should have spoken the truth.

Jesus was NOT really dead.

If Jesus was a real human being then he did NOT die he simply survived the Crucifixion.

1 Corinthians 15 People knew Jesus was NOT dead based on Paul. The very same Paul WITNESSED Jesus alive AFTER his crucifixion.

We know it is possible to survive a crucifixion from the writings of Josephus.

Life of Flavius Josephus It is documented that a crucified person did survive a crucifixion.

The claim that Jesus died for our sins AFTER he was crucified MUST be FALSE once Paul, the disciples and OVER 500 people SAW Jesus alive.

It is ABSOLUTE Fiction that Jesus died for our sins based on the Pauline writings.

1 Corinthians 15 When Paul wrote his epistle to the Corinthians Jesus may have been still ALIVE.

There is ZERO record of the death of Jesus in the NT AFTER he survived the crucifixion.

The claim that Jesus died for our sins is ABSOLUTE Fiction.

mountainman

The claim that Jesus died relies upon the claim that Jesus lived.





Hey aa5874,

You do realise that you probably wont be able to legally sell copies of the bible door-to-door if the distrubutors do a background check and read some of your comments here and elsewhere. Isn't the story supposed to be "Jesus died for Our sins"? If he didn't, what are all the Biblical Scholars and Biblical Historians going to do when they find out ?

Best wishes


Pete

aa5874

You should understand POSTULATES.

I POSTULATED that Jesus did exist, that he was crucified and that he was SEEN ALIVE after the crucifixion by OVER 500 people including Paul as stated by the very Pauline writer.

When those Postulates are taken into consideration the claim by Paul that Jesus died for our Sins is ABSOLUTE FICTION.

I will soon POSTULATE that Galatians 1.1 is true as stated by Paul that Jesus was non-human and we will see if we get the same result.

Solo

We all shall be awaiting the arrival of the WORD with bated breath, aa !

Best,
Jiri

Chili

The pupa stage takes place inside the cocoon who so died for the power and greed of the larva that it may emerge later in the beauty of Truth displaying the colors of heaven as seen from below as presented in "Hope for the Flowers" in this:

http://www.mywisdomtv.org/media/document/221.pdf[
http://www.mywisdomtv.org/media/document/221.pdf

Roger Pearse

(Deleted on second thoughts)

Sheshbazzar

Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck!

Scotsguy44

It is only by some very convoluted reasoning that your 'absolute fiction' has any relevance.

Yes, Paul claims that it was his belief that Jesus died for our sins.
But Paul also claims that it was his belief that Jesus rose from the dead to life again.

What Paul nowhere claims as his belief is that Jesus survived the crucifixion and was then seen alive by others. That is your belief imposed into the text in order to try to have Paul say what you want him to say.

In summary, Paul's beliefs are that Jesus really died for our sins and that from that real death Jesus was resurrected and then seen of other people.

The beliefs of Paul might well have been mistaken or indeed even be an absolute fiction but that would not be based on your above logically flawed argument.

Matt

tanya

Thank you Matt. Welcome to the forum.

But, it isn't just that post mortem Jesus was SEEN by other people, he also invited Thomas, if I recall correctly, to place his hand on his side where the spear had pierced his body (thrust by a kind hearted Roman soldier, in order to aide in a quicker demise, i.e. to terminate, prematurely, the pain and suffering caused by the crucifixion).

Missing from this narrative, of course, is certainty that he was actually dead, when unbound from the stavros.

But, if we suppose a divine character to Jesus, then, how is it possible for a mere mortal, to kill him?

Further, why, if he had been mortal to begin with, and a mere human, not a divine entity, would he return to earth, three days after his "death", (or was it two days?) as ANOTHER human? This was, post crucifixion, definitely a divine creature, correct? Humans don't return to life after death, that is a bit of magic that only divine creatures can perform. So, how then, could Jesus have invited Thomas to insert his hand into the spear wound? Do you mean to suggest that the resurrected Jesus, who died for our sins, reappeared, post mortem, adopting the same physical shape as his human predecessor?

Sheshbazzar

Zombie Jeebus, the dead and mutilated cadaver that rises from the grave and lives while yet dead!
(and don't ferget all of those other dead and rotting zombie saints that also managed to claw their way out of their graves following the cruci-fiction. Matt 27:52-53)