Freethought & Rationalism Archive

Clivedurdle · 11-15-2007, 10:14 AM

This transformation idea is not original - there was a well known book in the sixties about this. Brown?

Armstrong is too soft on religion, probably as I noted earlier because her thinking is very likely due to ecstatic experiences from temporal lobe epilepsy.

No way is the Hebrew Bible about peace and love - why does she sound like an unrequited hippy?

Clivedurdle · 11-15-2007, 10:17 AM

http://www.dvdtalk.com/eddieizzardinterview.html

(Google!)

Magdlyn · 11-15-2007, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

http://www.dvdtalk.com/eddieizzardinterview.html

(Google!)

Hmmm... do cheaters get cookies?

Oh, all right. Maybe a digestive biscuit. It was a nice long article. :sneaky: :wave:

-Jay- · 11-15-2007, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magdlyn

Quote:

Originally Posted by NinJay

Quite right. S & F do assert etiological significance to much of Biblical history. Dever does, too. The J, E, D, & P sources also tend to support such a line of reasoning when considered in terms of their political subtexts.

What about the idea that the Exodus story, being written during exile in Babylon, was the expansion of earlier legend threads, to shore up the hope that YHWH would now release the Judaeans from Babylon as he supposedly rescued Moses' tribe from Egypt?

There is a pattern in the OT of the Hebrews prospering when YHWH is pleased, and getting royally screwed when he's not. This fits with that pattern.

regards,

NinJay

Magdlyn · 11-15-2007, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

This transformation idea is not original - there was a well known book in the sixties about this. Brown?

The practice of fasting, chanting and meditation to achieve ecstasy goes back a bit further than the 1960s.

Quote:

Armstrong is too soft on religion, probably as I noted earlier because her thinking is very likely due to ecstatic experiences from temporal lobe epilepsy.

Actually, as I found from reading her autobio, she did not have ecstatic experiences and her disappointment led her to leave the convent.

iirc, she had absence siezures. She was actually punished for them while a nun, as they were not understood in that time and place (early '60s').

Quote:

No way is the Hebrew Bible about peace and love - why does she sound like an unrequited hippy?

She cites the prophets calling for support for orphans and widows and then she cites later mystics such as the Kabbalists.

Clivedurdle · 11-16-2007, 02:47 AM

By transformation I meant the idea that around 600 BCE all the big religions - confucius, buddha, judaism, greek, zoroastra taoism got going.

Magdlyn · 11-16-2007, 06:23 AM

Oh, whoops. Sorry I misunderstood you!

Joan of Bark · 11-17-2007, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Apologist perhaps, but an often voiced criticism is that doesn't restrict herself to Christian apologetics, but also defends Islam:

Upon further reflection, Matthew, I think you're correct. She does defend Islam quite a bit in her book on the Crusades.

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version	Search this Thread: Advanced Search

11-15-2007, 10:14 AM	#41
Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	This transformation idea is not original - there was a well known book in the sixties about this. Brown? Armstrong is too soft on religion, probably as I noted earlier because her thinking is very likely due to ecstatic experiences from temporal lobe epilepsy. No way is the Hebrew Bible about peace and love - why does she sound like an unrequited hippy?

11-15-2007, 10:17 AM	#42
Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	http://www.dvdtalk.com/eddieizzardinterview.html (Google!)

11-16-2007, 02:47 AM	#46
Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	By transformation I meant the idea that around 600 BCE all the big religions - confucius, buddha, judaism, greek, zoroastra taoism got going.

11-16-2007, 06:23 AM	#47
Magdlyn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,230	Oh, whoops. Sorry I misunderstood you!

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.