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Johnny Skeptic · 02-17-2008, 08:49 AM

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However, if a God exists, and wants everyone to believe that he can predict the future, he could easily have done that thousands of years ago, and he could easily do so today if he wanted to. You can claim that God has provided enough evidence if you want to, but you cannot logically claim that it is God's intent to convince everyone that he can predict the future, and that he used prophecy after the fact to help strengthen the faith of Jews since God could easily have strenghthened the faith of Jews much more by inspiring indisuputable prophecies instead of always inspriring disputable prophecies.

Why would a God only make disputable predictions?

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Off topic.

No problem. After I make this post, I will start a new thread at the GRD Forum that is titled 'Why would a God only make disputable predictions?' This post will be my opening post.

Edit: The link to the new thread at the GRD Forum is http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/showthr...24#post5159624.

sugarhitman · 02-17-2008, 09:26 AM

Accurate prophecies= Existence of God

Amaleq13 · 02-17-2008, 09:37 AM

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The latter comment would not ring so hollow if you were to offer some "proof" for your prior assertion here.

The simple fact remains that there are no "facts" that the prophecies concerning Cyrus was written after the fact. Yes there are "theories" about Deutero-Isaiah but they are only "theories."

So you completely missed the point that sugarhitman's complaint that critics fail to support their claims without "proof" was preceded by his own claim proffered without proof?

You really can't get a more blatant example of a double-standard.

Johnny Skeptic · 02-17-2008, 09:38 AM

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Accurate prophecies= Existence of God

Rather, 100% disputable prophecies that could have been 100% indisputable prophecies if the God of the Bible exists = the God of the Bible does not exist. No God who wanted to convince people to believe that he can predict the future would always make disputable prophecies.

Why do you suppose that the most scholarly Christians at this forum generally do not debate Bible prophecy?

Amaleq13 · 02-17-2008, 09:39 AM

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No facts it all, is correct only assertions because Isaiah is so accurate.

What is your "proof" that "Isaiah began his work in the days of Uzziah King of Judah."?

Without it, your complaint about critics is simply a hypocritical double-standard.

Amaleq13 · 02-17-2008, 09:43 AM

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Accurate prophecies= Existence of God

Stop wasting space with meaningless assertions. Present an argument with supporting evidence or the thread will be closed.

Amaleq13, BC&H moderator

sugarhitman · 02-17-2008, 09:47 AM

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No facts it all, is correct only assertions because Isaiah is so accurate.

What is your "proof" that "Isaiah began his work in the days of Uzziah King of Judah."?

Without it, your complaint about critics is simply a hypocritical double-standard.

And what is your proof that he didnt? Without it, your accusation about it is simply a Hypocritical double standard....and just plain rejection. :wave:

makerowner · 02-17-2008, 09:50 AM

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What is your "proof" that "Isaiah began his work in the days of Uzziah King of Judah."?

Without it, your complaint about critics is simply a hypocritical double-standard.

And what is your proof that he didnt? Without it, your accusation about it is simply a Hypocritical double standard....and just plain rejection. :wave:

OK, I predicted the September 11th attacks years before they happened. You can't prove that I didn't, therefore you have to accept that I did. Does that make sense to you? I hope not. That's the same "logic" you're using for Isaiah.

Amaleq13 · 02-17-2008, 09:52 AM

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And what is your proof that he didnt?

I have made no such claim. I'm asking about yours. This blatant effort to shift the burden suggests you are incapable of supporting your assertion and that is evidence which supports the claim I did make.

spin · 02-17-2008, 10:03 AM

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Accurate prophecies= Existence of God

As Herodotus provides accurate prophecies about Cyrus which have nothing to do with your god, accuracy of prophecies is not a sufficient condition for demonstrating the existence of your god.

spin

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