sugarhitman

"Thus says the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him;and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut. I will go before you, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron."

"And I will give you the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that you may know that I, the Lord, which call you by your name, am the God of Israel."

"For Jacob (Israel) My servent's sake, and Israel My elect, I have even call you by your name: I have surnamed you, though you have not known Me."

"I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is NO God beside Me: I girded you, though you have not known Me." Isaiah 45


This prophecy is just one of many which proves that God.....EXIST.

makerowner

OMG, it totally couldn't have been written after the fact either! I'm, like, 100% convinced! Where do I send my money?

sugarhitman

Isaiah began his work in the days of Uzziah King of Judah. I love it when critics claim the "written after" arguement with no proof.

Israel was restored in 1948, the dispute over Jerusalem and the division of Land was all written in the Bible. But seeing that the writings could not have been written after 1948, they say it is "self-fulfilled" (which is ludicrous). Like I said if they will deny a prophecy backed by the present (which cannot be disputed by false history seeing that it is fulfilling in the present) imagine what they will do against one of the past. :wave:

spin

Does this mean sugarhitman is once again unaware of christian scholarship? Couldn't be? Never heard of Second (Deutero-) and Third (Trito-) Isaiah? Naa. That's probably some stuff from a book.


spin

spin

Oh, by the way, isn't this stuff ~e~ material?

sugarhitman

Yes, so why dont you educate us Mr. Spin?

JohnG

Sugarhitman, I would need some evidence that it would have been impossible for those Hebrew stories to have not been edited after the liberation of the Jews from Babylon.

For these claims to hold any water, evidence would have to be solid, but I think I can say with certainty that you couldn't provide evidence that those particular Hebrew books have remained intact since before the exile.

It's an extraordinary claim you are making, and also using it as proof that the god of that specific culture exists.

From what I've read, the Torah was not definitive at the time of writing the Septuagint. Others here may also argue that there was further editing. The opportunities were certainly present.

The motives to falsify these prophesies are strong, The superstitious time period they were claimed to have taken place in is so long ago that you can't possibly verify their validity, and expect many people here to take them as any thing but an ancient ruse.

Modern prophets are debunked or ignored for the charlatans they are, why think of these as any different?

I have an open mind but, there is just too much recorded history surrounding all these events that indicate that it's all philosophy cloaked in fishy business.

I feel weird even saying "indicate". Honestly, my true feelings are that your claims are preposterous.

sugarhitman

Higher Criticism is of those modern Bible scholars who holds that the Bible is historically incorrect. They also do not believe that the Prophets could see so many years into the future, so therefore the events had to be written afterwards by many authors. Ibn Ezra who lived in the 12th century was the first to doubt the Book of Isaiah, this doubt picked up much steam in the 18 century which has been carried by the modern scholars. They say that Isaiah was written by three authors and was done after the events took place. Modern scholars do not believe in miracles or those stories in the bible that they consider to be "fantisical." The only reason they say that there were three Isaiahs who wrote the book is because of the accuracy of his predictions, they have no proof whatsoever. This is what they say of all the prophets. But the prophecies of Israel which are being fulfilled in our own time are proving them wrong. Because all of us know that those predictions were written beforehand long ago, certainly before 1948, which puts them in a most difficult position. And the only thing they can come up with is "self-fulfilling" prophecy. (Which is absurd). This shows that their skepticism is based on disbelief. Sadly, Higher Criticism is being promoted by so-called Christian institutions bringing into fulfillment what Paul said long ago "The time will come when they (christian apostates) will not endure sound doctrine...."---Paul. :wave:

GenesisNemesis

It proves that God EXIST? :Cheeky:

sugarhitman

What a childish critic