premjan

Well, I've received my only warning on this board for claiming something was a lie, even though I didn't call the person who said it a liar. So the two may be considered equivalent.

Nialler

There is, I'll agree, a certain amount of interpretation involved. Which post was the one which caused the warning?

premjan

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...59#post3946559
The link is on my profile.

Nialler

I've no way of knowing what was there before the edit, but anyway, the interpretation that I've frequently seen is that the argument can be attacked but not the person.

premjan

I basically said "that is a lie" indicating that the statement that the Palestinians had all come into Israel from Jordan was a lie. I clarified that there might be a little truth to it in this post. And then I apologized for the implication that ksen was a liar in this post.

RED DAVE

From RED DAVE:
From Nazarro:
From RED DAVE:
From Nazaroo:
I asked for a relevent response. I got nonsense.

From RED DAVE:
From Nazaroo:
We’ll see.

From Nazaroo:
People believe lots of dumb things. See the list above.

From Nazaroo:
Historical is subject to verification like science. Maybe not as precise, and subject to interpretation, but the principle is the same.

From RED DAVE:
Who says I want to change your beliefs. What I’m doing is demonstrating that you believe nonsense. If you want to change, that’s up to you.

In any event, you made the assertions above. The proof is up to you

From RED DAVE:
From Nazaroo:
Sure, you can. As my grandmother used to say, “It’s a free country.” You can believe any nonsense you want: like that listed above.


From Nazaroo:
It’s not a matter of offense. It’s a matter of true or false. You made a series of false statements. They also happen to be offensive.

From Nazaroo:
This remark strikes me as antisemitic. And, by the way, for someone who claims to be Jewish, the mode of address is quite unusual.

From Nazaroo:
Sorry, dude, but when you make a statement of fact and you are challenged, if the facts are as outlandish as yours, the burden of proof is on you.

From Nazaroo:
Okay. Let’s see where this goes. And ...

From Nazaroo:
I have the right to ask for proof, like anyone else on this board. I am challenged constantly. When the request is legit, I reply.

From Nazaroo:
Right.

From Nazaroo:
Actually, scientists do deal with proofs.

From Nazaroo:
It’s certainly true that scientists avoid creationism because it’s a pile of stinking manure. If you want to debate it, go over to the Evolution board.

From Nazaroo:
Okay, but please recall that when scientific probability reaches a certain point, it is referred to as truth. As for example: the facts of evolution.

From Nazaroo:
Wrong, of course. There have often been political movements, such as creationism or naziism, which have opposed scientific truth and have had to be opposed politically.

From RED DAVE:
From Nazaroo:
No. I look like a reasonable person asking for answers to reasonable questions. Those answers are still not forthcoming from you.

From Nazaroo:
Sorry, dude. You made a series of outlandish assertions. The burden of proof is on you. If you had made an assertion such that: “The United States was defeated militarily by Germany is World War II,” and I challenged you, the burden of proof would be on me. But for the nonsense you are asserting, the burden is on you.

From Nazaroo:
See above.

From Nazaroo:
I think that most people around here already hold a conviction about your beliefs: they’re bullshit.

From Nazaroo:
I'm not trying to convince you. I’m trying to get you to actively defend your beliefs with facts, which you refuse to do.

From Nazaroo:
Yay. Hooray. However, they are based on nonsense. If they’re not, please produce some evidence.

From Nazaroo:
I’m not trying to convince or persuade you. I’m asking for your evidence.

From Nazaroo:
I could reply in kind, but I’d hate myself in the morning.

In any event, Nazaroo, in spite of all your sputtering, you haven’t produced an iota of evidence for the five assertions listed above.

I don’t think you have any evidence and that you’re huffing and puffing.

So, one more time, please produce some evidence to prove your claims:

RED DAVE

laughing dog

Well, anyone who thinks 1-5 are true without providing any evidence to support such a claim is someone who knows nothing. Sorry, I cannot help that, it is my belief. Fortunately, using the Nazaroo doctrine, a belief need no evidence.

Anyone who refuses to produce evidence to support a claim is nothing but a bullshitter. Sorry, I cannot help that, it is my belief. Fortunately, using the Nazaroo doctrine, no evidence is needed.

Anyone who refuses to produce evidence to support a claim is not a scientist. Sorry, I cannot help my beliefs. Fortunately, using the Nazaroo doctrine, no evidence is needed to support my claim.

Nazaroo

Finally, someone who is talking sense.

Laughingdog is absolutely right in his assertions here. He has beliefs, based upon his own experience. He has a right to his beliefs, and a right to express those beliefs.

Nothing Laughingdog has said here offends me. Nor has he made any slanderous remarks.

He as only said I know nothing, that I am a bullshitter, and that I am not a scientist. And as far as I am concerned, he is free to make these statements.

Why is it that Laughingdog, with exactly the same data as Red Dave, feels no compulsion or requirement to publicly call me a racist and an anti-Semite?

Because Laughingdog is being reasonable about his data. He uses Occam's Razor like a real scientist would and only asserts what is necessary, skipping the superfluous and unecessarily offensive and redundant.

If only Dave would take a lesson.

However, Red Dave called me racist and anti-Semitic. And I still want an apology before engaging in anymore bullshit with him.

Even bullshitters have minimal standards.

RED DAVE

From Nazaroo:
Let's get the record straight. I never called you a racist or an antisemite. I did, indeed, say, that remarks you made were racist or antisemitic.

I stand by what I said. If you want to go in the corner and sulk, be my guest.

Of course, this gives you a perfect excuse not to reply and defend your bizarre postions.

RED DAVE

Nazaroo

And a perfect excuse for you not to apologize.

But real men can and do apologize.

Its no big deal.