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Old 11-26-2005, 11:42 AM   #61
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Quite disheartening. I was really looking forward to this debate only to see that it will probably end up being akin to Gastrich apologetics. Someone needs to find a real, honest-to-Hoyle, biblical scholar with actual knowledge of the older scripts.
Jason is a personnel friend of mine. Why do you insult him? Has Jason's message convited you of your sin? Me and Jason are ministers of the word and this is just one place that we will preach the word.

We both were rejected on Usenet and so as the scriptures command have moved on.

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14If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town.



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Old 11-26-2005, 11:47 AM   #62
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Not with John Wolf.

The only good that could come from this "debate" is John finally realizing that there's more required of a self-proclaimed "Bible teacher" than a mediocre GPA in an undergrad program from a bible college.
Actually my GPA in the Bible,theology and ministry courses was by far above a 3.x. My verall was only 3.07 primarly because of my last semester. But previous to this I had a 3.21.
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Old 11-26-2005, 11:51 AM   #63
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[QUOTE=jeremyp]I have a question,

I'm not a scholar, but I do get into arguments about homosexuality and christianity on other boards. It seems like Pervy has put together a pretty strong case for his point of view. In fact, in the context of the debate, he has Bible John dead in the water, it's almost embarrassing.

I admit I should have mentioned that I needed more time in this debate.

But I will also add that sicne you are not saved, you cannot see homosexuality as a saved person would.
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Old 11-26-2005, 11:55 AM   #64
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In a way, I'm glad that was cut short. I think Bible John had already shot his quiver empty.
Yes I needed more time as I am having some personnel issues at the moment.

Shot my quiver empty heh? Some bias.

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6We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9However, as it is written:
"No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who love him"[b]— 10but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.[c] 14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
16"For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him?"[d] But we have the mind of Christ.

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Old 11-26-2005, 12:03 PM   #65
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But I will also add that sicne you are not saved, you cannot see homosexuality as a saved person would.
Conveniently, I am saved, so I necessarily see homosexuality as a saved person would. In fact, I see it as one sees it when putting on the mind of Christ, which is to say, without condemnation, for there is no condemnation for them who are in Christ.
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Old 11-26-2005, 12:05 PM   #66
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I needed more time in this debate. I should have mentioned a time frame of up to two weeks from the begginning. I am having some economic and other issues at the moment.
Would you like some cheese with that?
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Old 11-26-2005, 12:06 PM   #67
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Jason is a personnel friend of mine. Why do you insult him? Has Jason's message convited you of your sin? Me and Jason are ministers of the word and this is just one place that we will preach the word.
I would not like to insult Jason, but I would very much wish he would stop losing debates so completely, it is poor witness for the faith.
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I'm not a scholar, but I do get into arguments about homosexuality and christianity on other boards. It seems like Pervy has put together a pretty strong case for his point of view. In fact, in the context of the debate, he has Bible John dead in the water, it's almost embarrassing.
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I admit I should have mentioned that I needed more time in this debate.

But I will also add that sicne you are not saved, you cannot see homosexuality as a saved person would.
You probably should have also mentioned that your argument would rely upon divine revelation.
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Old 11-26-2005, 12:23 PM   #69
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Message to Bible John: Why do you assume that the Bible speaks for God regarding homosexuality? Are you not aware that the book of Revelation admits that tampering with the texts is possible? You don't by any chance
have any practical arguments against homosexuality, do you?
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Yes I needed up to 2 weeks to post as I am having some personnel issues at the moment.
You don't suppose that part of the problem was that you were sending theatening, paranoid, and obnoxious emails to people, accusing them of things other people were doing, and sucking up to Jason Gastrich in the process, when you should have been preparing your debate entries here?
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