Amaleq13

Everybody knows the Official Atheist Handbook is the damned Bible!






"Elvis didn't do no drugs!"

orpheus last chant

Yeah, course. We also eat kittens and boil them at midnight in the graveyard. And have 666 tatooed on our arms and foreheads and an invisible pink unicorn on the back...

Oh wait. Sorry. Set your Irony detector to a higher level, please, and reread.

lunachick

Actually, that's true.

Sven

Hey, Dust, is there any chance that you ever get back to answer the posts in this thread: http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=84006 ?

Deadbeat

Vinnie, if Jesus was at a wedding that wasn't his and yet it was somehow his responsiblity for being out of wine, then he MUST have been the wedding planner.

A male, unmarried wedding planner. With long hair.

I mean, draw your own conclusions, but I think that speaks VOLUMES...

Adora

Ahahaha. True.

Fitz009

What Bible are you reading? Jesus repeatedly stated that he was the Son of God throughout the four Gospel, what else do you think was the reason he was killed by the Pharisees? (Mark 14:62 for example)

Mark 7 is a reference to TRADITIONS of the Pharisees rather than the Mosaic Law of God, the making clean of animals is a secondary attribute. Besides that, its purpose was to illustrate the fact that the hypocratic works salvation of the Pharisees did them no good. That was the real point of the passage. Doh!

Fitz009

Atheism denies the existence of a single TRUTH that can be the foundation of a religion does it not? All things are relative in atheism with the exception of the single point that there is no God. At least thats the common denominator in almost every atheistic writing circulating.

Fitz009

Ah the wonderment of misinterpretation. :banghead:

Vinnie

Let us take it slow:

Jesus was put to death by Crucifixion. Crucifixion in the first century Palestinian world is lock, stock and barrel a Roman activity.

The Pharisees are on of the major sub-groups within Judaism at that time. Pharisees were Jews, not Romans. The Pharisees were a fring minority at the time (ala Josephus). The disputes in the Gospels with Pharisees tell us more about the later church than about Jesus' ministry.

Despite that a close Jewish confidant might have betrayed him, and that some Jews may have wished it and even helped bring him into Roman custody, this does not change the fact that Rome had the final word. Roman law and policy killed Jesus.

Regardless of what the four Gospels say, you have to show how such claims on the part of unknown evangelists writing far outside the original homebase and 40-70 years after Jesus' life, reflect his own thoughts and voice.

The sayings material in GJohn is all garbage on historical grounds. Where in Q and THomas does Jesus say he is God's son in a special sense of being God himself? Where even in the Gospels outside of John (e.g. the synoptics) does he suggest this?

If you have examples, how do you justify this, obviously "with the grain" material as going back to Jesus?

Vinnie