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GPLindsey · 05-08-2004, 07:04 AM

I'm OK with Jesus being gay, so long as he never married another gay. That would have been immoral and would have destroyed the institution of marriage!

Jayhawker Soule · 05-08-2004, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by spin

Christ, Vinnie this is one gross retrojection of modern fuddy-duddy mentality onto an ancient past that we know very little about.

Bingo!

Al Kafirun · 05-08-2004, 04:00 PM

Soooo... Hellenized-Jews never visited bath-houses? They were Greek in tongue only?

Blah, this thread is starting to gross me out.

rlogan · 05-08-2004, 05:34 PM

Say Vinnie - was he a fudge-packer or more into white-water wristing?

Vinnie · 05-09-2004, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by rlogan

Say Vinnie - was he a fudge-packer or more into white-water wristing?

He did tell Peter, "Get thee behind me"

In one miracle story he was found spitting (saliva???) into a mans eye

Vinnie · 05-10-2004, 10:49 AM

I'll holler back later, spin

The tweb thread is kind of amusing where I posted this:

http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/sho...5&page=1&pp=16

Jinx blasted me

Vinnie: Another thing, why is Jinx so unusually outraged by this suggestion? Is it repressed homosexual tension? Is he jealous? Does he wish he was the beloved disciple? I don't know but I do know there is something deeper here motivating his childish outbursts.

If interested in more responses check the threa at Randi forums and Cygnus:

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showt...threadid=39997

http://forum.cygnus-study.com/showth...0&pagenumber=2

Christian forums promptly deleted my "trash"

Just thought I'd throw out a few link in case anyone was interested in seeing discussion of my "crap".

Vinnie

Fitz009 · 05-10-2004, 06:02 PM

The author's first premise that Jesus is gay because he was unmarried is absurd. Is every man who dies unmarried a homoscexual? Thats quite a broad statement.

Apart from that, the logical reasoning that Christ was unmarried is the point that he had a definite purpose in life that mentioned nothing of marriage. In fact, if Christ were married the consequences would be enormous especially in relevance to the impact on his wife. Imagine you were the spouse of the God/man who took the sins of the world upon Himself and died a horrible death for those same sins. Thats quite an emotional impact.

Vinnie · 05-10-2004, 07:25 PM

I never said Jesus was gay because he was not married. Read the damn article!!!!

What part of this his hard to understand!

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But What Does This Mean?

What then can we say about homosexuality? Well, for starters, we have no concrete evidence that Jesus was heterosexual for even a homosexual rabbi can give the populace at large sober teachings on divorce for heterosexual relations. Important to note is that men were expected to marry in this culture, much more so than in our own. So it is not trivial is Jesus was not in fact married.

By not marrying Jesus usurped traditional male-female values and this gives us grounds to ask questions. There is no evidence Jesus was heterosexual and this is important as it confirms that this should always be an open issue. The traditions I raise need to be viewed from this neutral, non-creedal perspective. We must admit up front that this is an open question.

By saying it is open I do mean what I say. Jesus may in fact have had a wife who died prematurely and this sparked an intense change in him and he went out and started a kingdom movement. Or possibly Jesus decided to forego marriage to devote his time to the kingdom. Or maybe Jesus didn't have a wife because he was homosexual. The first of these three is rather weak since we would expect either some mention of Jesus' wife or some clear reference to which she would stand behind it. None exist in all the material that we have. The second and third hypothetical solutions are both viable options, however. This brings back what I mentioned earlier. It is a very clear example of it so I repeat it here: "There are usually diverse explanations for various issues and scholars end up simply picking and choosing." We will not do that here.

You are like the sixth person who says that I said Jesus had no wife so he was gay. I said no such things. If people would only comment on what I actually write rather than peddle their misunderstandings of the section headers....

I concluded that Jesus was either chose to remain celibate by not having a wife or he was homosexual and had boyfriends instead.

The section point states what I glean from Jesus not having a wife:

Section One Summary Points:

a. There is no evidence Jesus was heterosexual.
b. Jesus was not married and usurped traditional values by not doing so.
c. Jesus' sexual orientation is an open question.

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In fact, if Christ were married the consequences would be enormous especially in relevance to the impact on his wife. Imagine you were the spouse of the God/man who took the sins of the world upon Himself and died a horrible death for those same sins.

It is precisely this reason that I feel a silence on wife and offspring is indicative that Jesus had none. I would exoect them to be mentioned or alluded to at least somewhere in all the extant early docs.

If my arguments are so absurd why does everyone constantly misrepresent them when they refute them??? Crap isn't that hard to diswmiss.

Vinnie

Vinnie · 05-10-2004, 08:17 PM

""""""Most amusing is the reaction it generates.
""""""""

Yeah, I think it is ultimately getting me banned at tweb.

Something about me saying jinx likes to fantasize about teh buttsechs with jesus that was edited out. Also that "Jinx sucks" (literally) and Jinx vs the beloeved disciple on the Springer show

Also one person asked me:

"Does Jesus have to be gay to validate your worldview? "

To which I responded:

No. Jesus' views or sexual orientation play no real factor in my worldview. For all I care he was a woman abusing pedophile.

The second statement was edited out :notworthy:

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I am appalled at what I had to edit out of your post Vinnie

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

ThePhoenix · 05-10-2004, 08:45 PM

You have fourty pages of this junk? Wow, I haven't seen a bunch of misinterpreted crap, since... no, not even the creationists stretch things that much. Jesus loved other men, this is unquestionable. Jesus loved everyone. Honestly, I haven't seen such a big waste of time since AIG.

05-10-2004, 06:02 PM	#7
Fitz009 Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oceania Posts: 91	Unmarried = gay? The author's first premise that Jesus is gay because he was unmarried is absurd. Is every man who dies unmarried a homoscexual? Thats quite a broad statement. Apart from that, the logical reasoning that Christ was unmarried is the point that he had a definite purpose in life that mentioned nothing of marriage. In fact, if Christ were married the consequences would be enormous especially in relevance to the impact on his wife. Imagine you were the spouse of the God/man who took the sins of the world upon Himself and died a horrible death for those same sins. Thats quite an emotional impact.

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05-08-2004, 07:04 AM	#1
GPLindsey Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 221	I'm OK with Jesus being gay, so long as he never married another gay. That would have been immoral and would have destroyed the institution of marriage!

05-08-2004, 04:00 PM	#3
Al Kafirun Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: USA Posts: 323	Soooo... Hellenized-Jews never visited bath-houses? They were Greek in tongue only? Blah, this thread is starting to gross me out.

05-08-2004, 05:34 PM	#4
rlogan Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,159	Say Vinnie - was he a fudge-packer or more into white-water wristing?

05-10-2004, 10:49 AM	#6
Vinnie Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Waterbury, Ct, Usa Posts: 6,523	I'll holler back later, spin The tweb thread is kind of amusing where I posted this: http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/sho...5&page=1&pp=16 Jinx blasted me Vinnie: Another thing, why is Jinx so unusually outraged by this suggestion? Is it repressed homosexual tension? Is he jealous? Does he wish he was the beloved disciple? I don't know but I do know there is something deeper here motivating his childish outbursts. If interested in more responses check the threa at Randi forums and Cygnus: http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showt...threadid=39997 http://forum.cygnus-study.com/showth...0&pagenumber=2 Christian forums promptly deleted my "trash" Just thought I'd throw out a few link in case anyone was interested in seeing discussion of my "crap". Vinnie

05-10-2004, 08:45 PM	#10
ThePhoenix Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Posts: 66	You have fourty pages of this junk? Wow, I haven't seen a bunch of misinterpreted crap, since... no, not even the creationists stretch things that much. Jesus loved other men, this is unquestionable. Jesus loved everyone. Honestly, I haven't seen such a big waste of time since AIG.

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