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Old 10-26-2011, 10:29 AM   #11
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I remember in high school there was a really serious Black Sabbath fan (does any one remember the crucifix shaped spelling of “Black Sabbath”?) who spent all art glass making a ceramic pot leaf with the title of a Black Sabbath song prominently displayed. Too bad he was really stoned and really stupid most of the time. The title of the piece - “Sweat Leaf”

My Dad still has a stash of early Sabbath CD's he sneaks out to listen too. Like the one with the black cover and "Deep Purple" writing. :lol:
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Thanks for the notice, Toto.

Levine also wrote The misunderstood Jew: the Church and the scandal of the Jewish Jesus (2007).
Another scholar creating a Jesus in her own image.
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To the contrary, the Gospels tell us about women’s substantial rights: owning homes, having use of their own property, having freedom of travel, worshipping in synagogues and the Jerusalem Temple, and so on. Women did not join Jesus because Judaism oppressed them, and the Jewish women who followed him did not cease to be Jews.--from the interview.
Hmmmmm.... I notice in the floating pericope about the woman taken in adultery, no man is dragged up to be stoned. And of course, if a woman doesn't understand something in church, she should keep her mouth shut and ask her husband to explain it to her privately at home.
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Another scholar creating a Jesus in her own image.
And what does it say about you that you see... a nothing?
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And what does it say about you that you see... a nothing?
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People have a choice between the Gentiles with their godman, whether mythical or historical; and the Jews with their iconoclastic prophet. I've made my choice, and have no desire to participate in your ongoing mythic circle-jerk.
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People have a choice between the Gentiles with their godman, whether mythical or historical; and the Jews with their iconoclastic prophet. I've made my choice, and have no desire to participate in your ongoing mythic circle-jerk.
Hi No Robots,

What Jews? The Jewish sources provide no valid historical information about Jesus.

The Jesus the Jews never knew: Sepher Toldoth Yeshu and the quest of the historical Jesus in Jewish sources (or via: amazon.co.uk) by Frank R. Zindler

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What Jews?
The vast majority of contemporary Jewish scholars.
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The Jewish sources provide no valid historical information about Jesus.
The New Testament itself is a Jewish source:
This man could have developed as he came to be only on the soil of Judaism; and only on this soil, too, could he find his disciples and followers as they were. Here alone, in this Jewish sphere, in this Jewish atmosphere of trust and longing, could this man live his life and meet his death—a Jew among Jews. Jewish history and Jewish reflection may not pass him by nor ignore him. Since he was, no time has been without him; nor has there been a time which was not challenged by the epoch that would consider him its starting point.

When this old tradition confronts us in this manner, then the Gospel, which was originally something Jewish, becomes a book—and certainly not a minor work—within Jewish literature. This is not because, or not only because, it contains sentences which also appear in the same or a similar form in the Jewish works of that time. Nor is it such—in fact, it is even less so—because the Hebrew or Aramaic breaks again and again through the word forms and sentence formations of the Greek translation. Rather it is a Jewish book because—by all means and entirely because—the pure air of which it is full and which it breathes is that of the Holy Scriptures; because a Jewish spirit, and none other, lives in it; because Jewish faith and Jewish hope, Jewish suffering and Jewish distress, Jewish knowledge and Jewish expectations, and these alone, resound through it—a Jewish book in the midst of Jewish books. Judaism may not pass it by, nor mistake it, nor wish to give up all claims here. Here, too, Judaism should comprehend and take note of what is its own.

--"The Gospel as a document of history" / Leo Baeck. In Judaism and Christianity, p. 101-102.
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Interested parties may want to look at the forthcoming Jesus among the Jews: Representation and Thought.
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