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Julio · 12-13-2008, 05:43 AM

Genesis 1:
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [IN TOTAL DARKNESS].
And the earth was without form, and void;
and darkness was upon the face of the deep. [DARKNESS WAS EVERYWHERE]
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. [IN THE DARK]
And God [LIVING IN TOTAL DARKNESS] said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And God saw the light, that it was good. [END OF DARKNESS].
Therefore: verse one is a contradiction in respect to verse three!
The Creator[s] (Elohim) could not create the heavens WITHOUT light.

Student of Sophia · 12-13-2008, 06:16 AM

http://www.guba.com/watch/2000809789

Julio · 12-13-2008, 06:31 AM

The Bible should start thus:
“In the beginning Light was switched on and the process of creation started” … and move on from there.
But then we need some “Invisible Hand” to move the switch up!
And who would “install” the switch in the first place [in total darkness]?!…
And who would point out the direction to the Switch [in complete darkness]?!…

Wolfie · 12-13-2008, 06:55 AM

We also need a manufacturer for the switch, someone to train the installation engineer, a competent authority to assess the training of the engineer, accreditation for the competent authority...

All in the dark.

Wolfie · 12-13-2008, 06:59 AM

This might be more appropriate in BC and H.

Wolfie - GRD Mod

The Dagda · 12-13-2008, 07:04 AM

Light is the only concern you have there?

What about that he created The Earth and the heavens all in one go? I wonder if anyone's gone through that book and pointed out scientifically all the possible and impossible stuff. Would be a fun exercise.

Jim123 · 12-13-2008, 07:26 AM

Either the Bibles are self-refuting, fact-wise, beginning on page one...

Or, they are works of fiction.

There are no other options.

.

Student of Sophia · 12-13-2008, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim123

Either the Bibles are self-refuting, fact-wise, beginning on page one...

Or, they are works of fiction.

There are no other options.

.

Of course there are other options.

http://www.guba.com/watch/2000809789

Jim123 · 12-13-2008, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Student of Sophia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim123

Either the Bibles are self-refuting, fact-wise, beginning on page one...

Or, they are works of fiction.

There are no other options.

.

Of course there are other options.

http://www.guba.com/watch/2000809789

As I said... works of fiction.

Student of Sophia · 12-13-2008, 08:59 AM

I suppose it depends on how you define fiction.

12-13-2008, 05:43 AM	#1
Julio Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Johannesburg Posts: 5,187	See how illogical Genesis 1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [IN TOTAL DARKNESS]. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. [DARKNESS WAS EVERYWHERE] And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. [IN THE DARK] And God [LIVING IN TOTAL DARKNESS] said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good. [END OF DARKNESS]. Therefore: verse one is a contradiction in respect to verse three! The Creator[s] (Elohim) could not create the heavens WITHOUT light.

12-13-2008, 06:31 AM	#3
Julio Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Johannesburg Posts: 5,187	The Switch The Bible should start thus: “In the beginning Light was switched on and the process of creation started” … and move on from there. But then we need some “Invisible Hand” to move the switch up! And who would “install” the switch in the first place [in total darkness]?!… And who would point out the direction to the Switch [in complete darkness]?!…

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12-13-2008, 06:16 AM	#2
Student of Sophia Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Inner Space Posts: 2,707	http://www.guba.com/watch/2000809789

12-13-2008, 06:55 AM	#4
Wolfie Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Wolf Pit, England, old chap, what? Posts: 1,627	We also need a manufacturer for the switch, someone to train the installation engineer, a competent authority to assess the training of the engineer, accreditation for the competent authority... All in the dark.

12-13-2008, 06:59 AM	#5
Wolfie Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Wolf Pit, England, old chap, what? Posts: 1,627	This might be more appropriate in BC and H. Wolfie - GRD Mod

12-13-2008, 07:04 AM	#6
The Dagda Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: England, Portsmouth Posts: 5,108	Light is the only concern you have there? What about that he created The Earth and the heavens all in one go? I wonder if anyone's gone through that book and pointed out scientifically all the possible and impossible stuff. Would be a fun exercise.

12-13-2008, 07:26 AM	#7
Jim123 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dallas, TX USA Posts: 540	Either the Bibles are self-refuting, fact-wise, beginning on page one... Or, they are works of fiction. There are no other options. .

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Student of Sophia Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Inner Space Posts: 2,707	I suppose it depends on how you define fiction.

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