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Old 02-18-2013, 09:12 PM   #1
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Mark Goodacre has posted a youtube video of his lecture on this topic. He actually manages to say some new and interesting things about this topic, about Jesus in modern cinema, and about the Talpiot tomb controversy.

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Mark Goodacre has posted a youtube video of his lecture on this topic. He actually manages to say some new and interesting things about this topic, about Jesus in modern cinema, and about the Talpiot tomb controversy.
That is all gutter material Toto.

Magalene was the temple tramp inside the conscious mind of Joseph, the upright Jew.

She was Eve when they first left Eden (there is no history in Gen.1-3), and here now is identified by name as the lesser serpent Adam took to be his wife when they left Eden.

And yes, the man called his wife Eve who here now is called Magdalene who was the source of pleasure by way of desire in the mind of Joseph, and so the temple tramp in the temple that Jesus promised to rebuilt in three days, when also the suggestion was made that he was taking about his own mind.

The reason for the name Magdalene as the other Mary is because the Son is made known, also by name, along with Mary [theotokos] to whom Magdalene was subservient and hence the temple tramp. Magdalene is actually the serpent in Macbeth: 'we've scorched the snake, not killed it, she'll close and be herself, whilst our poor malice remains in danger of her former tooth."

She must be killed, which is the job of Michael who is the right hand angel of Mary [theotokos], and must be raised again to show that reason will prevail for which reason Mary is called "the second Eve," now with the detour gone after the lower room (or TOK) is vacated and the upper room is occupied.

Shakespeare has her in Coriolanus when Aufidius said "Know thou first,/ I loved the maid I married" (VI.v.114-15). She was Casca in Julias Ceasar too. Oh and in The Spire she was "Goody," and in "We" she was I-330, slender, abrupt, an resistantly flexible like a whip."

Go back to causation again in Gen 3:15 where the greater serpent of the TOL (who was never banned from Eden) strikes at the head of the lesser serpent in the TOK (Madgalene here), who in her turn strikes at his heel, with 'his' being Joseph here, who, btw, was never Jesus but indeed was a curious spectator thoughout it all and actually came for the body of Jesus, as he just happen to have this unused cave in his own backyard that he had hewn as if out of solid rock 'by the sweat' of his own brow. All allegory that I present to you in simple words.

The names do belong bacause when the Son was identified also his causes will be known, which then is first and second Adam and first and second Eve, all inside the mind of Joseph.

An yes, the intercourse was real but has nothing to do with sex.
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The earlier thread: Via Goodacre: Jesus Wife Gospel Probable Fraud



Some rough notes listening to Goodacre's lecture:

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The Gospel of Jesus' wife. (gJW)


Very similar to the Coptic gThomas


Similarities:

(1) Line breaks the same, even split words.
(2) Copied from a particular version of gThomas.

Cites an internet publication of an interlinear version gThom.
Claims that this publication has a "Missing MU". (i.e. an error)
The Coptic fragment of gJW also has this "Missing MU".

This suggests to Goodacre that the Coptic fragment gJW is a modern forgery.

There are only two possibilities:

(1) In the 4th century the coptic gThom was used to create the gJW.

(2) Modern person used the coptic gThom to create the gJW




Another source of the Jesus Mary M relationship in gPhilip

NHC 2.? ==============> 3rd century?
Three mary's walked with Jesus
The author of gPhilip has copied from gJohn

His companion Mary.

Jesus kissed her often on the 'LACUNAE"






Jesus and Mary relationship in the gMary

Elaine Pagels publicised NT apocrypha

Fragment exists in three manuscripts ...

1) Coptic
2) Two greek fragnments

The gMary is NOT MENTIONED by anyone in antiquity AS A TEXT.




There has been a "Sea Change" regarding Mary Magdalene in scholarship

Mary was typically portrayed as a prostitute, but recent books reverse this perception.

Recent books have presented Mary Magdalene not as a prostitute but a wife.



Jesus and Mary relationship in pistis sophia

Three different Mary's.

Mary of bethany - at the feet.

Different Mary's (of e.g. John 20.2) are drawn to one Mary.





The authors of these 2nd, 3rd, and 4th century texts harmonised the Canonical Gospels

Goodacre believes that these authors of these non canonical gospels had before them the "historical texts" of the 1st century. During the 2nd, 3rd and 4th centuries they indulged in a harmonisation process.

Obviously the part of the fragment of gJW can be tested / dated.
When is this happening?


Some comments ........................


If it is not a modern forgery then Goodacre's statement applies:

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Someone in the 4th century used the coptic gThom to create the gJW.
This is not so far fetched. It appears that there was for some reason a real codex manufacturing industry in the mid 4th century (NHC) devoted to the creation of Coptic translations of Greek non canonical gospels (and acts etc), and/or creation of Coptic non canonical gospels.

One common feature of all of these stories is that the authors took bits and pieces out of the canonical stories and then added them back into their new stories in different combinations and permutations, often adding new material.

We might almost expect a story in which Jesus is married to Mary Magdalene.



The relationship between Jesus and Mary in the "Greater Questions of Mary"


Epiphanius reports that in other stories such as "The Greater Questions of Mary" Jesus pulls a woman out of his rib and has explicit sex with her in the presence of Mary way up a mountain. I may have missed it, but (unlike Bart Ehrman) I did not hear Goodacre mention this reference to the relationship between Jesus and Mary.

These things are obviously polemical stories and it seems reasonable to perceive that the Constantinian orthodoxy treated these as prohibited political objects, the subject of damnation.

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Originally Posted by Eusebius in Church History

the character of the style is at variance with apostolic usage,
and both the thoughts and the purpose of the things
that are related in them are so completely out of accord
with true orthodoxy that they clearly show themselves
to be the fictions of heretics.

Wherefore they are not to be placed even among the rejected writings,
but are all of them to be cast aside as absurd and impious
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Indeed the woman was taken from man in Gen 2:22 to be his DNA in the unity of knowledge that is fixed, and the separation between them generated the RNA to make her shine, that when they unite again she will be greater than he ever dreamed her to be, and will crown her queen above all others as the main event and cause of all that he is now.
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