stephan huller

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mountainman

Yet.


Wow. Where did David Whitchurch dig this arcane fact up from ?

stephan huller

Psst! If you are going to learn one Greek word in understand Christianity make it ἀνατολή

If you are going to learn one messianic prophecy from the Jewish writings learn Zechariah 6:12

If you are going to learn one Hebrew word learn that ἀνατολή is the LXX translation of the original Hebrew צֶ֫מַח or tsemach which also means 'the sprout' (wrongly translated as 'the branch')

If you are going to understand one passage in the whole Bible Zechariah 6.12 in Hebrew and Greek is “There will be a man called the Risen Sun, who will dawn from down below [from out of the underworld]”.

ἀνατολή also means 'the East' (because the Sun rises in the east)

If you are going to learn gematria you should learn the numerical value of צֶ֫מַח or tsemach is the same as that word you learned last week - menachem. Thus Menachem, consisting of m=40, n=50, h=8, m=40, amounts to 138. Tsemach, "branch," makes the same amount, for ts=90, m=40, h=8. Thus the Paraclete is for Jews, the messiah. This numerology is common mystical knowledge in Jewish circles.



If you will ever read my article in the Journal of Coptic Studies on the throne of St. Mark you will see that I have argued that this scriptural passage has been secretly written in the backrest of the original Episcopal throne of Alexandria, the place where the Pope - the representative of St. Mark is seated. I think it answers the ultimate mystery of the gospel.

The throne is clearly meant to be represent the solar chariot - the Hebrew merkavah - surrounded by the four living creatures which are also the four winds.

As there are clearly two figures in the passage from Zechariah, and Tsemach is NOT the High Priest, I don’t see how the words “the ninth vision” (which appears in the backrest) could refer to the enthronement of one person as High Priest. The natural meaning is that Tsemach will take on the monarchy, and will have the cooperation of the High Priest.

The Manichaeans had a religious observance called the bema festival which means 'throne festival' where a picture of Mani was placed on an empty throne. A variant of the Acts of Archelaus narrative of Mani visiting 'Marcellus' appears in the Coptic history of Severus of al'Ashmunein where Mani actually sits in the throne of Marcellus (little Mark). Why is a story from Osrhoene is a history of the Church of St. Mark? Go figure.

The point is that the observance of Christ the ἀνατολή is the most fundamental truth in Christianity's borrowing from traditional Jewish messianism. The conduilt here was clearly Philo of Alexandria who takes a particular interest in the messianic implications of Zechariah 6.12.

I know this isn't going to well with everyone but the reality is that Christianity wasn't originally just about a bunch of morons 'believing' in some arbitrary nonsense that someone made up in a factory somewhere. In Alexandria at least - undoubtedly owing to heavy borrowing from the first century Jewish culture there - Christianity was developed from math. Mathematics as a kind of secret cipher language.

All dead bodies facing the East. Why so? Were the Jews worshipping the sun? Or was the orientation of their bodies a symbolic, even seditious statement - an expression of defiance even in death of their secret loyalty to another ruler beside the current Lord of the world. The Jewish religion isn't what it appears to be.

avi

Thank you for this interesting topic.

a. Zoroastrian influence on Judaism

b. the legend that Alexandria was created from nothing, by Alexander of Macedonia, has been proven false by archaeology, which has demonstrated evidence of commerce and residence, at the mouth of the Nile river, at least five centuries before the Macedonian invasion. During that interval, the whole of Egypt had been conquered by Persia. Accordingly, it would not surprise me to learn that at least SOME of the residents, 7 or 8 centuries later, would still be practicing the Zoroastrianism of their ancestors.

avi

JCR

I understand that tsemach was the Hebrew name for the star Spica. Shouldn't Zechariah be translated as “There will be a man called the Risen Star", rather than Sun? Or are we to understand that Spica is the seed that creates the Sun?

stephan huller

I have never heard of any of this. Tsemach is the equivalent of the Greek which would nonnect it with the Sun. I will research the other possibility but it sounds suspect

spin

I don't think this is correct. While there are clearly dual messiahs in Zech 4:14, that situation has changed for 6:9ff. There is no way to read Zerubbabel into the passage. It is Jeshua who is crowned (with crowns of silver and gold: the unstated object of שםת ("place") in 6:11 must be עטרןת "crowns", so they both end up on the head of Jeshua ). He now is the one referred to as the sprouting. It is he who will build the temple and sit on the throne. Yet there shall be a priest by his side and there shall be peaceful understanding between the two. Something rather dramatic has upset the apple cart, causing the sudden disappearance of Zerubbabel and the necessity of a quick and ugly fix.


spin

stephan huller

Let's start with the fact that the text of Zech. 6:9-15 is corrupt. The original (cf. 6:9, lOb, lla-bcc; 12a, 13, 15a) deals with the command to crown Zerubbabel, which Zechariah is to do as a symbolic action (cf. Robinson-Horst, op. cit., 236)

As I see it there are clearly two figures in the passage from Zechariah, and Tsemach is NOT the High Priest. The vision that is seen is the messianic king enthroned and ruling with the High Priest.

Here is the Hebrew of verses 12b-13. “Behold a man whose name is sprout [or growth bud: tsemaḥ]. From being static [literally from under himself] he will sprout [yitsmaḥ] and will build the Temple of the Lord. He will build the Temple of the Lord and will take on royal majesty [hod]. He will sit and rule on his throne, and the Priest will be on his throne, and there will be concord between them”. Here is the Greek translation (conveniently but improperly called the Septuagint, LXX). The Greek of the Minor Prophets is an interpretative translation, without being arbitrary. “Behold the man whose name is Dawn [anatolê]; over the horizon [hypokatôthen, literally up from under] he will dawn [anatelei], and build the house of the Lord. And he will take on nobility [or prowess: Greek aretê], and sit and rule upon his throne; and there will be a Priest on his right hand, and there shall be concord between them”.

Here is what the Targum has for verses 12 and 13. “And you shall say … “Behold a man whose name is Meshiḥa [the Anointed]. He will be revealed. He will become great [not “will be great”] and will build the Temple of the Lord. He will build the Temple of the Lord and will bloom. He will sit and rule on his throne. [The blooming is not the first event]. The High Priest will be on his throne. The King of Peace will be between them”.

I would suggest that my interpretation is the one which followed in the period.

youngalexander

Symbols of the cross and fish are quite common in the ANE, as for "figurines" ...

Chili

Well if the sun stopped for 12 hours at that time that would do it for 'flat earthers' would it not?