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Old 03-10-2006, 12:29 PM   #1
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Cool Death of Antigonus

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(..)Then how about the King of the Jews, bound to the cross, flogged and executed in Jerusalem at the order of the Roman ruler? According to Cassius Dio, Roman History Book XLIX chapter 22 sections 3-6, this happened. But it was about 37 BCE, the King of the Jews was Antigonus and the Roman in charge was Mark Antony. (..) Jake
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22 This, to be sure, took place at a later period; at the time under consideration Antony attacked Antiochus, shut him up in Samosata and proceeded to besiege him. But when he found he was accomplishing nothing and was spending his time in vain, and when he also suspected that the soldiers were alienated from him on account of the disgrace of Ventidius, he p387secretly opened negotiations with the foe and made a pretended compact with him so that he might have a plausible reason for withdrawing. 2At any rate, Antony got neither hostages (except two and these of little importance) nor the money which he had demanded, but he granted Antiochus the death of a certain Alexander, who had earlier deserted from him to the Roman side. After doing this he set out for Italy, and Gaius Sosius received from him the governorship of Syria and Cilicia. 3This officer subdued the Aradii, who had been besieged up to this time and had been reduced to hard straits by famine and disease, and also conquered in battle Antigonus, who had put to death the Roman guards that were with him, and reduced him by siege when he took refuge in Jerusalem. 4The Jews, indeed, had done much injury to the Romans, but they suffered far more themselves. The first of them to be captured were those who were fighting for the precinct of their god, and then the rest on the day even then called the day of Saturn. 5And so excessive were they in their devotion to religion that the first set of prisoners, those who had been captured along with the temple, obtained leave from Sosius, when the day of Saturn came round again, and went up into the temple and there performed all the customary rites, together with the rest of the people. 6These people Antony entrusted to a certain Herod to govern; but Antigonus he bound to a cross and flogged,— a punishment no other king had suffered at the hands of the Romans,— and afterwards slew him.
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Antiquities of the Jews - Book XV
CHAPTER 1.
(..) ANTONY BEHEADS ANTIGONUS.
2. (..) Now when Antony had received Antigonus as his captive, he determined to keep him against his triumph; but when he heard that the nation grew seditious, and that, out of their hatred to Herod, they continued to bear good-will to Antigonus, he resolved to behead him at Antioch, for otherwise the Jews could no way be brought to be quiet. And Strabo of Cappadocia attests to what I have said, when he thus speaks: "Antony ordered Antigonus the Jew to be brought to Antioch, and there to be beheaded. And this Antony seems to me to have been the very first man who beheaded a king, as supposing he could no other way bend the minds of the Jews so as to receive Herod, whom he had made king in his stead; for by no torments could they he forced to call him king, so great a fondness they had for their former king; so he thought that this dishonorable death would diminish the value they had for Antigonus's memory, and at the same time would diminish the hatred they bare to Herod." Thus far Strabo.
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Hereupon Sosius dedicated a crown of gold to God, and then went away from Jerusalem, leading Antigonus away in bonds to Antony; then did the axe bring him to his end, (27) who still had a fond desire of life, and some frigid hopes of it to the last, but by his cowardly behavior well deserved to die by it.
So whom to trust? This contradiction is not to be solved. The only sure thing is that all documents went through xian hands for 14th centuries. At the end if no other king was ever treated like that by the Romans, it should be evidence that Yeshuah's crucifixion is only literature fiction.
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Why would you propose that the execution of Hasmonaean Mattathias Antigonus is in any way relevant to the crucifixion by Pilate of a rabble rousing Jewish peon, a person so insignificant to the Romans that no effort was made to pursue his followers and who likely never appeared before Pilate for judgment?
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So whom to trust? This contradiction is not to be solved. The only sure thing is that all documents went through xian hands for 14th centuries.
Is there a contradiction, though? I've never looked at this at all, and I'm not overly interested to, either. But just from what's written above, Josephus has Antigonus beheaded, while Cassius Dio has Antigonus "bound to a cross and flogged... and afterwards slew him". IIUC, a "cross" can also be a "stake". For the purpose of flogging, weren't people tied to such a thing?
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