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Chris Weimer · 11-15-2004, 07:05 PM

Mostly they just ignore it, like veiled heads and such. The Christians don't really follow their religion.

Lucretius · 11-16-2004, 06:31 AM

A possible passage from the Bible that they appear to be using to justify women priests ,certainly the quote about the Methodists above seems to imply it ,is from Gatatians 3
" 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
Just an example of how some possible different interpretations can be made if you look hard enough in the Bible for a passage that suits your argument

Chris Weimer · 11-16-2004, 06:45 AM

um, that's talking about being Christians. It doesn't even mention priesthood.

funinspace · 11-16-2004, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cweb255

Mostly they just ignore it, like veiled heads and such. The Christians don't really follow their religion.

So you demand all xians be literal inerrantists? That's funny comming from a non-theist in my view. The mainstream Protestants explain their POV. You and I may find it no more appealing than the inerrantist view, but I'd say it's hardly less rational. Typically they at least don't fantasize about a Flood in 2200BCE. Though it does leave allot of wiggle room to believe pretty much anything you want. Here is a sample of it:

http://www.umc.org/interior.asp?mid=1665

Quote:

We properly read Scripture within the believing community, informed by the tradition of that community. We interpret individual texts in light of their place in the Bible as a whole.
We are aided by scholarly inquiry and personal insight, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. As we work with each text, we take into account what we have been able to learn about the original context and intention of that text. In this understanding we draw upon the careful historical, literary, and textual studies of recent years, which have enriched our understanding of the Bible.
Through this faithful reading of Scripture, we may come to know the truth of the biblical message in its bearing on our own lives and the life of the world. Thus, the Bible serves both as a source of our faith and as the basic criterion by which the truth and fidelity of any interpretation of faith is measured.

While we acknowledge the primacy of Scripture in theological reflection, our attempts to grasp its meaning always involve tradition, experience, and reason. Like Scripture, these may become creative vehicles of the Holy Spirit as they function within the Church. They quicken our faith, open our eyes to the wonder of God’s love, and clarify our understanding.

Atheist_Mama · 11-17-2004, 05:08 AM

It doesn't surprise me that Christians have thrown away some of these verses to be seen as more politically correct. What is interesting is that they don't adhere to verses about women teaching or speaking in church but they still adhere to verses about homosexuality. Another example is how they don't follow the laws about adultery and divorce any longer. If you think about it half the Christians in this country would be killed for those! Christians have an uncanny ability to pick and choose which parts of the Bible to believe in, all the while saying the entire thing is inspired by God. I just don't get it, especially considering the verses that say anyone who doesn't obey Mosaic law or throws away any part of the OT shall meet their death. Who can understand this logic?

I would also like to add that the many sexist verses in the bible were the first ones that caught my attention and made me question this religion. I think verses like these have oppressed women for centuries and it has only been recently that the feminist movement has been able to undo some of the damage. So we really don't have the church to thank for female ministers if you ask me.

Lucretius · 11-17-2004, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cweb255

um, that's talking about being Christians. It doesn't even mention priesthood.

I agree but a couple of websites for women priests I found used this passage presumably because it doesn't say it excludes the act of being a priest

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11-15-2004, 07:05 PM	#11
Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	Mostly they just ignore it, like veiled heads and such. The Christians don't really follow their religion.

11-16-2004, 06:31 AM	#12
Lucretius Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: . Posts: 1,014	A possible passage from the Bible that they appear to be using to justify women priests ,certainly the quote about the Methodists above seems to imply it ,is from Gatatians 3 " 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Just an example of how some possible different interpretations can be made if you look hard enough in the Bible for a passage that suits your argument

11-16-2004, 06:45 AM	#13
Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	um, that's talking about being Christians. It doesn't even mention priesthood.

11-17-2004, 05:08 AM	#15
Atheist_Mama Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: washington state Posts: 7	It doesn't surprise me that Christians have thrown away some of these verses to be seen as more politically correct. What is interesting is that they don't adhere to verses about women teaching or speaking in church but they still adhere to verses about homosexuality. Another example is how they don't follow the laws about adultery and divorce any longer. If you think about it half the Christians in this country would be killed for those! Christians have an uncanny ability to pick and choose which parts of the Bible to believe in, all the while saying the entire thing is inspired by God. I just don't get it, especially considering the verses that say anyone who doesn't obey Mosaic law or throws away any part of the OT shall meet their death. Who can understand this logic? I would also like to add that the many sexist verses in the bible were the first ones that caught my attention and made me question this religion. I think verses like these have oppressed women for centuries and it has only been recently that the feminist movement has been able to undo some of the damage. So we really don't have the church to thank for female ministers if you ask me.

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