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Thomas II · 01-26-2006, 07:34 PM

There is some indication that Jesus could have been a member of the sect called NAZARAEANS...Is anyone here familiar with this?...Is this something worth exploring?

jjramsey · 01-26-2006, 07:46 PM

I have yet to see evidence that "Nazarene" or "Nazorean" was actually a pre-Christian sect. I have seen speculation of the existence of such a sect being using to explain away references to "Nazarene" or "Nazorean" in the Gospels, and sometimes this speculation is stated as if it were fact.

Chili · 01-26-2006, 09:04 PM

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There is some indication that Jesus could have been a member of the sect called NAZARAEANS...Is anyone here familiar with this?...Is this something worth exploring?

No he wasn't or he could not have been a nature generated Nazorean and that is a necessay truth.

Toto · 01-26-2006, 09:38 PM

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There is some indication that Jesus could have been a member of the sect called NAZARAEANS...Is anyone here familiar with this?...Is this something worth exploring?

The sect might have been the Nazirites. Check out this thread:spin on Nazarth

Mountain Man · 01-26-2006, 09:44 PM

Jesus was not a Nazarean. He is a myth.

RED DAVE · 01-27-2006, 12:11 AM

Am I missing something, or is the possibility that JC was a Nazarite ever discussed?

Long Jewish Encyclopedia entry on Nazarites

The Nazarites, apparently, were by no means a sect but Jews who took certain special vows and were under special prohibitions.

RED DAVE

Julian · 01-27-2006, 07:26 AM

The idea the Jesus was originally part of the Nasoreans, the followers of John the Baptist, is strongly advocated by Helmut Koester.

Julian

jjramsey · 01-27-2006, 09:15 AM

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Am I missing something, or is the possibility that JC was a Nazarite ever discussed?

The problem is that Jesus is said to have drunk wine, in contrast to John the Baptist. That would make it unlikely that he was a Nazarite.

Thomas II · 01-27-2006, 09:30 AM

Well, no wonder nobody can find this Character "Jesus"...
What a mess!!

But I have a feeling that this is a good lead...
Now,if we can ONLY get our agreed findings together we might get somewhere...

Julian, you mentioned Prof. Koester (Harvard Divinity). What is a good site to pick his brain?

Chili, I keep asking you to give references about what you say in order to put it in context.

Toto, I haven't sorted out completely the mix of letters and places.
So far I am following leads on Mount Carmel and B'nai Amen Temple

Damascus (not the Syrian city)
www.christianorigins.com/damascus.html Mandeans

Also:
www.iidb.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-196.html

http://essenes.net/yohon.html

www.dhushara.com/book/Yeshua

Julian · 01-27-2006, 09:30 AM

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The problem is that Jesus is said to have drunk wine, in contrast to John the Baptist. That would make it unlikely that he was a Nazarite.

But if the JtB theory is correct, he would have left the movement by that time and no longer subject to whatever rules they abided by.

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jjramsey Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tallmadge, Ohio Posts: 808	I have yet to see evidence that "Nazarene" or "Nazorean" was actually a pre-Christian sect. I have seen speculation of the existence of such a sect being using to explain away references to "Nazarene" or "Nazorean" in the Gospels, and sometimes this speculation is stated as if it were fact.

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RED DAVE Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 10,532	Am I missing something, or is the possibility that JC was a Nazarite ever discussed? Long Jewish Encyclopedia entry on Nazarites The Nazarites, apparently, were by no means a sect but Jews who took certain special vows and were under special prohibitions. RED DAVE

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Julian Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Washington, DC (formerly Denmark) Posts: 3,789	The idea the Jesus was originally part of the Nasoreans, the followers of John the Baptist, is strongly advocated by Helmut Koester. Julian

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Thomas II Veteran Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 8,254	Well, no wonder nobody can find this Character "Jesus"... What a mess!! But I have a feeling that this is a good lead... Now,if we can ONLY get our agreed findings together we might get somewhere... Julian, you mentioned Prof. Koester (Harvard Divinity). What is a good site to pick his brain? Chili, I keep asking you to give references about what you say in order to put it in context. Toto, I haven't sorted out completely the mix of letters and places. So far I am following leads on Mount Carmel and B'nai Amen Temple Damascus (not the Syrian city) www.christianorigins.com/damascus.html Mandeans Also: www.iidb.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-196.html http://essenes.net/yohon.html www.dhushara.com/book/Yeshua

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