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Dean Anderson · 07-06-2007, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike PSS

I have yet to hear Dave explain, or even acknowledge the existance of, the previous pyramids built before the GP.

And thus we get humor.

Stepped Pyramid of Djozer: "What am I? Chopped Liver?"

That's because Dave's main source (Smyth) claims that the GP is not only the best building in the world, but also the oldest - and that all other pyramids are inferior copies built later.

This is utter bollocks, of course (like most of Smyth's theories).

Pappy Jack · 07-06-2007, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean Anderson

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Originally Posted by Mike PSS

I have yet to hear Dave explain, or even acknowledge the existance of, the previous pyramids built before the GP.

And thus we get humor.

Stepped Pyramid of Djozer: "What am I? Chopped Liver?"

That's because Dave's main source (Smyth) claims that the GP is not only the best building in the world, but also the oldest - and that all other pyramids are inferior copies built later.

This is utter bollocks, of course (like most of Smyth's theories).

..... as has been pointed out to Dave many times before in many places in respect of most of the YEC dreck he posts ...... yet like a punch-drunk prizefighter who has been knocked down too many times, still he keeps staggering back into the ring blinking and chewing and going through the same old moves that we've all seen before. It almost makes you want to turn away before the next knock-out punch lands......:devil1:

07-06-2007, 05:58 AM

Wonderful metaphor, PJ. I find it tends to make me want to kick the bugger in the nuts as he's getting up off his stool just to forestall his going through the same old moves.

Dave Hawkins · 07-06-2007, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ck1

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Originally Posted by Dean Anderson

Having checked my maths, and having re-read Smyth, I concede this point. I was mislead by an earlier poster who was saying that Thuban was aligned at the pole in 2170 BCE. Re-reading Smyth's book, I see that the previous poster was misrepresenting Smyth and that Smyth's alignment does use the 3-4 degree angle that you quote.

I have been reading Dave's posts since he first showed up at ATBC in May'06 and I do not recollect that he has ever made any statement like the above, even after many>most>all of his arguments were smashed to smithereens.

Dave, this is how real scholars behave - scientists and other academics. They pay attention to others' arguments and concede when the evidence is against them.

Pay attention and learn. Your bible, after all, stresses humility over hubris.

Poor memory? I can remember several times I admitted error ... the chimp chromosome thing, the information issue in the Ames test discussion, a poll in the UK I misread, and I'm sure there were a few more.

07-06-2007, 06:25 AM

So are you going to admit error on your ridiculous population stats or are you going to produce something to back them up?

And what about the Nile Valley sediment? It is on-topic, Dave.

ck1 · 07-06-2007, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by afdave

Poor memory? I can remember several times I admitted error ... the chimp chromosome thing, the information issue in the Ames test discussion, a poll in the UK I misread, and I'm sure there were a few more.

Well I do not remember the details of the Ames discussion or anything at all about a UK poll, but I am happy to take back my blanket statement that you have never admitted error.

Dave Hawkins · 07-06-2007, 07:41 AM

Population stats and Nile Valley sediment ... both on-topic and something I am quite interested in. I will address them here.

Constant Mews · 07-06-2007, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by afdave

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Originally Posted by ck1

I have been reading Dave's posts since he first showed up at ATBC in May'06 and I do not recollect that he has ever made any statement like the above, even after many>most>all of his arguments were smashed to smithereens.

Dave, this is how real scholars behave - scientists and other academics. They pay attention to others' arguments and concede when the evidence is against them.

Pay attention and learn. Your bible, after all, stresses humility over hubris.

Poor memory? I can remember several times I admitted error ... the chimp chromosome thing, the information issue in the Ames test discussion, a poll in the UK I misread, and I'm sure there were a few more.

Admitting an error is not the same as conceding a point. I believe ck1 is correct here.

Occam's Aftershave · 07-06-2007, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by afdave

Population stats and Nile Valley sediment ... both on-topic and something I am quite interested in. I will address them here.

Great Dave, after all these months you're finally going to answer a question!

You can start with this diagram of the geological layers of Egypt, from the American Association of Petroleum Geologists

Now where is that 1 mi. deep Flood sediment layer Dave?

Steviepinhead · 07-06-2007, 10:41 AM

Dave! (Waves frantically at elusive figure disappearing as quickly as he arrived...)

Hello? Philitis?

Can I simply conclude by your long-term reluctance to deal with this question that you are unable to locate any evidence suggesting that Philitis was anything other than a sheep-herder?

Can I further conclude, therefore, that you have no evidence--whatever secret cosmological measurements may (or may not) be "encoded" in the structure of the GP--that the GP's builders had any connection whatsoever with the esoteric knowledge descended from your (purely hypothetical) pre-Flood advanced civilizations?

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07-06-2007, 05:58 AM	#623
mung bean Guest Posts: n/a	Wonderful metaphor, PJ. I find it tends to make me want to kick the bugger in the nuts as he's getting up off his stool just to forestall his going through the same old moves.

07-06-2007, 06:25 AM	#625
mung bean Guest Posts: n/a	So are you going to admit error on your ridiculous population stats or are you going to produce something to back them up? And what about the Nile Valley sediment? It is on-topic, Dave.

07-06-2007, 07:41 AM	#627
Dave Hawkins Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,375	Population stats and Nile Valley sediment ... both on-topic and something I am quite interested in. I will address them here.

07-06-2007, 10:41 AM	#630
Steviepinhead Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,642	*Dave!* (Waves frantically at elusive figure disappearing as quickly as he arrived...) Hello? Philitis? Can I simply conclude by your long-term reluctance to deal with this question that you are unable to locate any evidence suggesting that Philitis was anything other than a sheep-herder? Can I further conclude, therefore, that you have no evidence--whatever secret cosmological measurements may (or may not) be "encoded" in the structure of the GP--that the GP's builders had any connection whatsoever with the esoteric knowledge descended from your (purely hypothetical) pre-Flood advanced civilizations?

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