Chili

Good point but please call yourself a Jesuit as follower of Jesus because when Jesus became Christ he left the scene and therefore you/we cannot be followers of Christ.

"Christian-in-becoming" is a good way to put and once you are a Christian you can just be what you are and will have to follow no-one.

Underseer

If knowing that there is no god makes one narcissistic and arrogant, what does that make someone who "knows" that god does exist?

GenesisNemesis

Exactamundo! :rolling: Actually, I am somewhat of a narcissist, but hey, who doesn't talk about themselves every once in a while?

Happy Wonderer

That claim was well debunked by a native speaker and scholar of classical chinese characters on this forum a few years ago. IIRC, It is pretty much a whole-cloth invention, and it relies on an interpretation of how chinese characters are formed that is absurd to the Chinese.

Nuwanda

Fair enough.

My point isn't dependent on the Chinese word for "flood." How bout the other142 ancient references to a catastrophic flood?

Chris Weimer

Floods happen all the time. Even catastrophic ones. Worldwide flood that drowns everyone? Try some real evidence. Start with the rocks.

Chris Weimer

Show me evidence for one miracle and we'll start talking.

Nuwanda

A few posts back someone accused me and saying that I claimed to "know" God exists. I never did. I believe He exists but I can no more prove He exists anymore than the athiest can prove He doesn't (as this little experiment is demonstrating).

Nice reversal though. I've been an eyewitness to many miracles, but my word is worth nothing as far as evidence goes. And, I can't think of many instances of a miracle that are not limited by testimony. If I say that once I was blind but I was instantaniously healed and I have doctor notes to prove it you'll simply discredit both mine and my doctor's testimony. Even if, by some miracle, we observed, say, non-living matter self generate into living matter in a labratory, nobody would believe it (not unless you could repeat the experiment again and again, but then it wouldn't be a miracle... would it?).

Also, any "proof" of a miracle I offer which is difficult for you to answer scientifically might lead you to simply claim that science will eventually explain it. So I believe it is impossible for a believer to prove a miracle, and it is equally impossible for the non-believer to disprove the possiblility of miracles(lack of labratory evidence does not = impossible). We both share the burden of proof.

who's turn is it?...

GenesisNemesis

I almost drowned in one of my relative's pool. Was that just mere survival, or a miracle? I'd say survival. Of course, it was only a matter of time before I got myself to the surface and my uncle pulled me out. Btw, this post was about Biblical Contradictions. Not evidence for miracles.

Chris Weimer

Go have yourself a nice look through EoG, where I actively advise not to use "prove" but instead "evidence". Show me evidence, not proof, of God's existence. To this day, there is none.

Yes, you did do it quite nicely.

You're right. I've also seen Hercules before, not too long ago. He was lifting some really huge weights and talking about his father Zeus. Then he asked his father to lightning strike some impious bloke, and the guy dropped dead still on fire.

Do you believe me? Why should I believe you?

Who is the doctor? Where are his notes? Tell me about this situation. I need names, dates, and places, please.

Nonsense. Singular events happen all the time. But have you miraculously seen non-living matter self-generate (?) into living matter in a lab? If not, then you're merely projecting your thoughts on everyone else. That's very disingenuous of you. How do you know what I think, how I would react? If I went around saying that you would salute the Nazi flag if you had a chance, wouldn't you feel offended too?

So please cut out the BS about what you think I would do and start addressing the issue. This hiding from the debate is doing no one any good except perhaps you're imaginary friend.

Also, any "proof" of a miracle I offer which is difficult for you to answer scientifically might lead you to simply claim that science will eventually explain it. So I believe it is impossible for a believer to prove a miracle, and it is equally impossible for the non-believer to disprove the possiblility of miracles(lack of labratory evidence does not = impossible). We both share the burden of proof.[/quote]
False. Once again, try searching for "burden of proof" "fast" "wiploc" and "Chris Weimer" in EoG to get some real results. What you posted above is not acceptable.

Considering you claimed that a god exists, whether you believe it or know it is irrelevant, than it is up to you to prove to us that your god really does exist. You made the claim, you back it up.