GenesisNemesis

What are the best biblical contradictions? :devil3:

knotted paragon

From evilbible.com and SAB and from right here.

Nuwanda

Welcome to the athiest's win win argument.

If the Bible is full of contradictions then the Judeo/Christian God can't possibly be true. However, if there are no contradictions then man must have written it and rewritten it over the centuries to agree with itself.

Either way, no God. Yay atheism!!!

GenesisNemesis

Atheists don't just deny the Judaeo/Christian God, they deny the concept of God Himself. We just captilize Him as expression.

CreamFilledGiraffe

Could you name an atheist who says the bible is free contradictions and therefore a forgery/fake/proof-of-gods-nonexsistence? :worried:

CreamFilledGiraffe

Deny a concept? I say that [Gg]od(s) don't exist but there is abundant evidence for the concept.

The previous sentence for example

I think I just cited myself as an authority on the concept of god :redface:

GenesisNemesis

Not "deny", we know that there is no God. :devil3:

Sheshbazzar

With about about the same degree of accuracy of knowledge as claiming to know the number of planets and moons in Orion's Belt.

Fortuna

I know of no Atheist who claims the second of your statements for the simple reason that the Bible is filled with contradictions and ridiculous assertions. Well, perhaps they seem ridiculous to us but potentially sensible to an ancient worshipper with the limited knowledge of his time and culture. The bible is a book of myth, legend and a little history, but as with all histories, that of the winners of the political battles.(and some of the myths aren't really very original).

Thus, we have no need of your second assertion. No matter how many potential rewrites there might have been (if any), and translations the contradictions and incorrect facts are still there.(i.e. Like stars hung in the crystalline firmament, separating the waters above from the waters below).


Well, not necessarily all Atheists think of it that way, and it is not nearly so simple. Also there is no need to capitalize the word god nor any pronouns that refer to him, her or it, depending on whose god or set of gods we may be talking about.

One thought that occurs to me is that a Christian is an Atheist with respect to Zeus, Apollo, Odin, Thor, Freya or any other gods or goddesses you care to name.

Put another way, some Christians worship 3 gods, some one, and Judaism and Islam worship one. So, from a certain point of view we Atheists simply believe in fewer gods than those do. One less than non-trinitarians Christians, Jews and Muslims, and three less than Trinitarian Christians. See how that works ?

We also sometimes talk about strong Atheists and weak Atheists. Some Atheists simply don't believe in god simply because no-one can clearly define just what the word means, and/or that they simply don't believe in a god as defined by Christians, Jews or Muslims.

And strong Atheists of course reject any sort of belief in any type of god or god-like entity.

As for me, I think that it is simple logic to disbelieve in the Christian or Jewish concept of god as derived from the Bible. That is to me just common sense. And who would want to believe in a god who commands the Jews to commit gencidal acts against the Canaanites. He becomes angry and vengeful, breathes smoke from his nostrils, savours the smell of burnt animal entrails, suet, punishes sons for the sins of the their fathers down to the 7th generation (A precept that modern law rejects as unjust), and then supposedly sends his son (a god can have a son ? Why does this god seem so very human, almost as if he was made in the image and liekness of men?), who is suppossedly immortal and really cannot die or be killed anyway, and then has him get himself crucified so that he (the supposed son) can redemm the rest of mankind from the wrath of his father, apparently the older of the two.(hmm, so these gods exist in the realm of time. Wait a minute, if god has a son, then who or what was its mother ? This is starting to sound like Zeus seducing women in the form of golden showers or visiting particularly pretty women at night in their beds).

Apologies for droning on, but the poster Nuwanda seems like a theist trying to demonstrate a ridiculous dichotomy that is nothing more than a strawman. Butwith beliefs like I just listed above, The Christian theist had better look closer at their own ridiculous beliefs before pointing out falsse dichotomies in others.

Nuwanda

And from One Of Logic...
If I had never met an atheist, these two quotes would have me believe that athiests were the most narcissistic and arrogant bunch on the planet.

How can you argue with someone who already "knows" there is no God? Why do you seek contradictions in the great "book of myths" if you already know it's falsehood? Surely with this powerful "knower" of yours you should be able to demonstrate your claim without reference to a book of myths. You must have proof that is so unmistakable that even an "ancient worshipper with limited knowledge of his time and culture" would be able to see it. I've heard of this myth that God does not exist, but I would love to see your infallible proof which of course is free from contradiction, faith, and illogical presuppositions (such as, living matter self generated from non-living matter, which generated from nothing).