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mountainman · 07-19-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by show_no_mercy

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

Xianity is based on a dream, of the uniting of God and humans, the creation of a new heaven and earth following the rending of the veil of the temple and the death and resurrection of the Saviour Yahweh Messiah who brings God with us.

100% Dream and story.

What about the name "Israel"? Surely one who literally struggled with god is in the presence of god.

What about the name "Eusebius"? Worships well; pious.
Are we intellectually worshipping Eusebius's exclusive literary worshipping?
Or is Eusebius' literary output better described as the result of a mercenary contract with the "Lord God Caesar"?

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Worship is an act of religious devotion usually directed to one or more deities. The word is derived from the Old English worthscipe, meaning worthiness or worth-ship — to give, at its simplest, worth to something.

darstec · 07-22-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

Jesus (Yeshua) is a name and was a very common name at the time, so, yes, Jesus had a name, not just a bunch of titles. Almost every "name" seemingly began as a word with a meaning. The meaning of "Yeshua" is reportedly closer to "salvation" than to "savior." The name "Yahweh" does not actually mean "Lord," though "YHWH" is most often translated "LORD." It is really only a name that presumably means "I am." You are right about "Christ - Messiah," though.

Of course saying christ = messiah (no capitals needed) is no help. It is a title like slave and merely means oiled one or oiled thing. the OT has a donkey, a rock, a loaf of bread, two pillars and some king called messiah or (christ in the Septuagint). The NT has two other characters called oiled one/christ besides the Joshua character. Being oiled was not especially special back then except for the fact that the holy oil used had psychotropic properties. Read the recipe in Leviticus.

Furthermore it is dishonest of translators to call Joshua of tht NT Jesus while at the same time calling the man in the OT with the same name and spelling Joshua. They should both be the same name. It was after all the most common name among Hebrew males, with Mary being the most common female name.

Those names were chosen for a purpose, just like police name unkown people John or Jane Doe.

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