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Old 07-29-2006, 07:44 PM   #91
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Provide your best arguments against the Bible?
Can you be more specific?

Do you mean arguments against its inerrancy? Do you mean an argument that some parts of it are not true? Do you mean and argument that it is not divinely inspired? Do you mean an argument that nothing in it is true? Do you mean an argument that it is not literally true but could be entirely true in some other sense?
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What particular things are you talking about that Christ said, and what particular things have you observed?
That most people, particularly those who think they "know something", are complete fucktards.
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That most people, particularly those who think they "know something", are complete fucktards.
Is that in Matthew?

Also, I continue to be interested in your answer to my earlier question you seemed to have missed:

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Can you provide an example of an idea expressed by Jesus that was "neither contained in nor deducible from the foundations of our natural knowledge"?
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What particular things are you talking about that Christ said, and what particular things have you observed?
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That most people, particularly those who think they "know something", are complete fucktards.
What I would like are the particular things that Jesus said that you base your opinions on. Please quote book, chapter, and verse.
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Old 07-30-2006, 07:46 PM   #95
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What I would like are the particular things that Jesus said that you base your opinions on. Please quote book, chapter, and verse.
And which of you, if he ask his father bread, will he give him a stone? or a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
Or if he shall ask an egg, will he reach him a scorpion?
If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father from heaven give the good Spirit to them that ask him?
--LK 11:11-13
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Can you provide an example of an idea expressed by Jesus that was "neither contained in nor deducible from the foundations of our natural knowledge"?
All of Christ's ideas derive from intuition. As Spinoza puts it (continuing from the passage I quoted earlier):
To Him the ordinances of God leading men to salvation were revealed directly without words or visions, so that God manifested Himself to the Apostles through the mind of Christ as He formerly did to Moses through the supernatural voice.
An example of one of his ideas that is not deducible from natural knowledge is found in the quotation from Luke that I have provided above.
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All of Christ's ideas derive from intuition.
Thanks. That's what I thought.
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What I would like are the particular things that Jesus said that you base your opinions on. Please quote book, chapter, and verse.
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And which of you, if he ask his father bread, will he give him a stone? or a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he reach him a scorpion?

If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father from heaven give the good Spirit to them that ask him? (Luke 11:11-13)
First of all, how do you know that Jesus said that? Second of all, let's consider this issue a little more in context. Luke 11:9-13 say "And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" Since millions of people have died of starvation who have asked God for food and many other needs, how can those Scriptures be true? Third of all, you said "God doesn't give a rat's ass about you or your problems." Is hunger not a problem?
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I usually start with talking snake and end with talking donkey.
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I usually start with talking snake and end with talking donkey.
Or a flying pig or a mouse who picked up a battleship if the Bible says so, at least according to most fundamentalist Christians.
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