sunsettommy

The Bible a teacher of a doctrine called the Trinity?

I ask this because Christianian religion believers strongly teaches that the Bible in various places supports the triune god idea.

I never can find it.

I never can see the mathematical illogic either.That there are 3 gods and yet that they are one! a Godhead.

Zzz.......

Can anyone show me where in the Bible,make an explicit statement supporting the Trinity doctrine?

John Kesler

The only passage explicitly supporting the Trinity is 1 John 5:7-8 which is disputed.

Spitfire

The non-dogmatic explanation I was offered is that the son of God (also the word of God) is God's understanding of himself and the Holy Ghost is the love shared between them, which is still true though the word became incarnate and the Holy Ghost is now an expression of God's good will towards ever living being. If physicists are willing to assume that there are more than the four humanly perceptible dimensions (how many are there supposed to be now? 11?) that one God exsists in three distinct persons doesn't seem to me like too much of a stretch in comparison.

John 1:1 (I think) - "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God."

Matthew 28:8 - "Go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."

Just the ones I can think of right off the top of my head...

Paradox

There is no explicit statement, but why is that necessary?
There are many facts in life that are true but are not handed to you on a plate as absolute fact. The whole point of science is to discover truth by examining the available evidence and forming a theory that explains certain phenomena.

Christians have attempted the same thing here. They make the assumption that the Bible is all truth, and each part of the Godhead is described as God in separate parts of the text. Through logical deduction therefore, the Trinity idea was formed.

Tigers!

As noted Matt 28:19 mention the 3 but it does not explicitly associated Jesus as the Son of God. The JW's use that to deny the divinity of Jesus.

Also in Gen 3:22 notes a plurality (>1) in the Godhead without explicitly mentioning how many persons.

Spitfire

Oops, wrong verse. I need to stop being lazy and actually look them up to be sure.

And come on, if that doesn't mean Jesus then who else could it possibly refer to? Were there any other Sons of the Father running around?

Harry Bosch

Pretty weak. And there are far more verses that claim that God and Jesus are different (one is greater than the other and etc.)

nygreenguy

Many believe the trinity doctrine was made up at the Council of Nicaea in 325 C.E. Well, many think thats wher/ideae the idea came from for christianity. However, many other cultures have a 3 sided "godhead" figure as well.


Triads were very common in pagan theology. India had the Brahman,Siva, Vishnu. Egyptian had Osiris, Isis, and Horus. And as we know, christianity has often adopted pagan beliefs. (sort of like evolution and common ancestry)

We also find in the bible and in the origonal wordings when God, or Yahweh is spoken of, it is in a completly singular form of "one" with no plural modifiers. If there were such a godhead, it should have been in a plural form.

The Bible also explicitly says Jesus was Gods BEGOTTEN son, meaning CREATED through procreation. So, this made jesus A god, but not THE God. The bible goes on to show MANY MANY examples of how the trinity is not a bible based belief. If anything, the origins seem to be pagan.

Derec

Yes. See Genesis 6:1-6, Mat. 5:9, Romans 8:14, 8:19, Gal. 3:26.

nygreenguy

Those refer to human people, i dont think thats what Spitfire was refering to!