Apikorus

Fertilized eggs are not kosher.

Toto

Is it Kosher? Eggs and Egg substitutes.

You tell me what this says. If fertilized eggs are non-kosher, is that because they are embryos?

scigirl

Well - somewhere between 50 and 75% of all fertilizations end in a miscarriage.

scigirl

Tristan Scott

I would say that the Christian god must be pro-choice, since abortion is not specifically condemned in the bible.

Christians like to believe that all the books in the bible were chosen with divine inspiration. Well, there actually was a very popular piece of scripture that dealt specifically with abortion, and it was rejected by the Early Church Fathers when they chose the books that would be included in the Christian Bible.

It was said that the Apocalypse of Peter was second only to the fourth Gospel in popularity in the early church. Popular, perhaps, because it also told of a special care-taker angel that watched over children who died before they had been saved. With the high child mortality rate suffered by the poor, one can see why this scripture enjoyed popularity. It condemned abortion, however, and told of the punishments that would be visited on those that practiced abortion.

And near that place I saw another strait place into which the gore and the filth of those who were being punished ran down and became there as it were a lake: and there sat women having the gore up to their necks, and over against them sat many children who were born to them out of due time, crying; and there came forth from them sparks of fire and smote the women in the eyes: and these were the accursed who conceived and caused abortion.

Baidarka

I'll be a monkey's uncle! I sure got that one wrong.

Toto: "Is it Kosher? Eggs and Egg substitutes.

You tell me what this says. If fertilized eggs are non-kosher, is that because they are embryos?"

Perhaps it is the prohibition against consuming blood that is at work here.

Baidarka

Here is the source of my mistaken belief that fertile eggs could be kosher.
Deuteronomy 22
6 If you come across a bird's nest beside the road, either in a tree or on the ground, and the mother is sitting on the young or on the eggs, do not take the mother with the young.

I think that wild bird eggs would usually be fertile. So this passage must predate the kosher laws as they exist today.

Jack the Bodiless

The Didache also condemns abortion:
Another source that "God's inspiration" caused the Church fathers to reject...

abe smith

The here-implicit allegation of "god" is a silly human fiction.

aikido7

There are noteworthy passages in the Bible that show life originating from "breath" and not "birth."

As I remember correctly, there is a trenchant passage in Job and then we have the Genesis account of God breathing air out to liven up the dust of pre-Adam.

If I was not close to brain damage at this late hour, I would provide relevant verses; those with concordances can do it if they want.

"You can look up a biblical verse and recite it to a heathen every day, or you can teach that heathen to look it up and read it for themselves."

Toto

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Genesis 1:30
And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground-everything that has the breath of life in it-I give every green plant for food." And it was so.

Genesis 2:7
the LORD God formed the man [ 2:7 The Hebrew for [ man ] ([adam] ) sounds like and may be related to the Hebrew for ground ( adamah ); it is also the name Adam (see Gen. 2:20). ] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

Genesis 6:17
I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish.

Genesis 7:15
Pairs of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and entered the ark.

Genesis 7:22
Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died.

Job 7:7
Remember, O God, that my life is but a breath; my eyes will never see happiness again.

Job 12:10
In his hand is the life of every creature and the breath of all mankind.

Job 27:3
as long as I have life within me, the breath of God in my nostrils,

Job 33:4
The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life.

Psalm 39:5
You have made my days a mere handbreadth; the span of my years is as nothing before you. Each man's life is but a breath. Selah

Isaiah 42:5
This is what God the LORD says- he who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and all that comes out of it, who gives breath to its people, and life to those who walk on it:

Jeremiah 4:31
I hear a cry as of a woman in labor, a groan as of one bearing her first child- the cry of the Daughter of Zion gasping for breath, stretching out her hands and saying, "Alas! I am fainting; my life is given over to murderers."

Jeremiah 38:16
But King Zedekiah swore this oath secretly to Jeremiah: "As surely as the LORD lives, who has given us breath, I will neither kill you nor hand you over to those who are seeking your life."

Lamentations 4:20
The LORD's anointed, our very life breath, was caught in their traps. We thought that under his shadow we would live among the nations.

Ezekiel 37:5
This is what the Sovereign LORD says to these bones: I will make breath [ 37:5 The Hebrew for this word can also mean [wind] or [spirit] (see verses 6-14). ] enter you, and you will come to life.

Ezekiel 37:6
I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the LORD .' "

Ezekiel 37:10
So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet-a vast army.

Habakkuk 2:19
Woe to him who says to wood, 'Come to life!' Or to lifeless stone, 'Wake up!' Can it give guidance? It is covered with gold and silver; there is no breath in it.

Acts 17:25
And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else.

Revelation 11:11
But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them.