Johnny Skeptic

Obviously not since God withholds evidence that would cause more people to accept him.

As you know, I recently started a thread at http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=275799 at the General Religious Discussions Forum that is titled "Why does God withhold evidence that would cause more people to accept him?" You only made one reply, which was as follows:

I replied to your post, but for some reason, you withdrew from that thread. Your reply did not make any sense, first of all because I am an agnostic, not an atheist, and second all because the Bible indicates that non-Christian theists will go to hell, not just atheists.

I suggest that we continue these discussions in the thread at the General Religious Discussions Forum that I mentioned.

Sheshbazzar

What Bible verse(s) are you basing this 'levitation' claim on?

IBelieveInHymn

how is he witholding evidence? Why can a person like me stare at the moon in total amazement, and someone like you wouldn't believe in God if he came down here and hugged you. You would claim it was an illusion, and it didn't really happen. Is there any pleasing you?

I will reply later.


I'm sorry if my reply didn't make sense to you. I try to be thorough as possible. Of course non-christian theists will burn in hell. They are worshipping other gods before the one true God.

ok. :wave:

spamandham

I don't claim god is evil. I claim gods don't exist at all. However, Christianity has gnosticism as part of its heritage, and they believed the god of this world was evil, and that the scriptures were a deceit designed to drive most to destruction. How do you know they were wrong?

If Satan is as competant as you give him credit for, this is exactly what we would expect.

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it."

IBelieveInHymn

"The Ark was able to carry its carriers as well as itself." This comes from the book, "The Legends of the Jews."

Deus Ex

Why should a person believe what is in that book?

Why should a person automatically believe what is written in ANY book?

spamandham

I wasn't aware that "The Legends of the Jews" is part of the Bible. Here I thought it was a collection of Jewish *myths and legends*.

IBelieveInHymn

Most of the people I've encountered in here believe [The Character] God is evil.

God offers an eternal life of peace and harmony. Satan offers punishment and death.

Satan is the mastermind behind all that is evil and wicked.


This verse in Matthew is talking about those who seek Jesus, but he will not answer because they were unrighteous and evil.

Jesus also said; Many will call out O' LORD, My God, but I will not answer them.

IBelieveInHymn

Now if you could only show me where I said it was in the Bible. I believe I used the term "Ancient man." :huh:

If you guys read the bible like you read my posts, its no wonder you're atheist.

spamandham

That doesn't answer the question I asked. I asked, "How do you know they were wrong?" If you believe that there is a master deceiver out there, then we would expect that deceiver to be extremely successful. What better deceit than to lead the entire world away from the truth by offering them the prize of knowledge that makes you eternal like a god; the exact same lie told in the garden?

If leading you astray from the truth were his goal, we would expect him to lie about his nature and convince you that he could not use goodness to trap you in his deception.

...perhaps he doesn't answer because he's part of the deception. How do you know this is not the case?