IBelieveInHymn

I haven't seen any thus far. But I'm sure there are a few in here that believe Jesus ordered the killings of anyone who didn't worship him as a King. Or that Jesus said we must hate our parents. Atheists like to throw the red flag when they read the bible because they believe they found a problem. But they should know, if there is a problem, there is an answer. And when the answer is revealed, the first reply from an atheist will be "Don't believe Christian Apologetics because they lie".

Websites like [Skeptics Annotated Bible] will expose "supposed" errors, but they never attempt to correct or answer the problems. Why is that?

So, now what we have are Christians building websites. "The response to Skeptics Annotated Bible".

Christians have to go around cleaning up everyone else's mess. Why? Because people don't know what they are reading.

People attend college classes for five or six years to fully understand the bible. Because it was written and spoken in a language that is no longer in existence. I find it hard to believe any Joe Bloe (atheist) will pick up a bible and fully understand it without conflict.

I displayed words in ancient Hebrew, and the atheists couldn't tell me what the word(s) meant. "Sherets", "Sin'ah". they had no clue what I was talking about, but they are quick to say "the bible is a lie". Come on now..

How can you agree with people like that?

bobforapples

Maybe because unlike you they appear to know that the wholly babble is available in English. Are you claiming the message changes when delivered in Hebrew?

IBelieveInHymn

The Bible was spoken in mostly in Hebrew. Jesus often spoke Hebrew. The word used was "Sin'ah". Greek translation, "Miseo". English translation, "Hate". So, you tell me. Was that verse mistranslated by modern copyists? This is your little Bible Trivia for today.

The original word was Hebrew. And Jesus used the word "Sin'ah" meaning; "To love lesser than".

The Greek translation used the word, "Miseo". Meaning "Hatred or to detest".

The English translation uses the word. "Hate". "Hatred or to detest".

Why did modern copyists take away the actual meaning of Jesus' words???

I can see why some people turn atheist. seriously.

Sai

How can you agree with people who say the red sea really parted, or that there really was a noah's ark? I dont see any reason to get into sherets and sinahs. If I am supposed to believe there was a noahs ark the sherets are totally irrelevant.

i dont need years of schooling to read a simple story about a flood and a boat, and know what it says.

Deus Ex

I believe Jesus would have spoken Aramaic and possibly some Greek.

funinspace

You are a riot... I guess you don't realize that there are people (no not I, I am far too ignorant) who are fluent in ancient Greek and Hebrew here... Wow you grabbed a Greek/Hebrew Bible dictionary (let me guess, it was Strong's Concordance...LOL), and presume to lecture ...

Deus Ex

If he sticks around in this forum he is going to get schooled pretty quick!

DancesWithCoffeeCups

We know. It's called biblical apologetics and its a very lucrative field.

Whether an intentional lie or merely an attempt to keep the flock in line, I myself prefer to look for answers to the questions that I ask. First and foremost, who authored the bible and where can I find the original documents? The answer is that in many cases the authors are unknown and the only documents that are available are copies of copies. That is the truth. That isn't what apologists are likely to tell you, however. Lie or honest mistake? I leave that up to individuals to determine. In my experience, human beings will believe whatever they want to believe in order to support their worldview, and honesty has nothing to do with it. I understand that, I just don't subscribe to it as a way to find out the truth of the matter.

They aren't interested in apologetics. At least, that's what I'd assume. I don't know, and I don't really care. I was/am capable of reading and understanding the bible all on my own.

Yep. It's called online apologetics. Not quite as lucrative as selling books, admittedly.

More likely because people don't agree with the thousands of interpretations offered up by the thousands of Christian sects.

And some people spend their lifetime "understanding" the bible. Financed by those who have a vested interested in it being "interpreted" the way they want it to be interpreted.

I'm pretty sure classical Hebrew is still spoken. Then again, poor translation is a pretty piss poor excuse, don't you think?

I was a Christian when I started studying the bible. That's how I became an atheist. Lutheran's are piss poor apologists and my pastor was ill equipped to answer my questions, bless his heart. :devil1:

I don't agree with people like that. I am capable of drawing my own conclusions based on reading the bible itself. That my conclusions are the same as many atheists is because we know a contradiction when we see it. We also understand that the stories in the bible were written well after the supposed events (70 AD being the first appx. dating), were written by various authors, most of whom remain unknown . . and that snakes don't talk, the flood never occurred and the exodus (to name a few) never happened. It took a hell of a lot longer than 5 or 6 years for me to complete my research, but I like to be thorough.

mrunicycler

Seriously? You've created this entire argument based on suppositions and stereotyping?

I don't know if it's more of a waste for you to write it, or me to read it...

lars_egarots

From what I've seen, a Christian starts with his world view, and makes the bible conform to that.