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Old 01-25-2013, 10:36 PM   #51
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I guess I've missed it, somewhere, but would you point out to me how one identifies the proper authority?

If the answer isn't somewhere in this thread, than perhaps you might deal with the following:


Thanks for answering the question.
You bring on a good issue, can it be properly used? Yes it can.

Example, a trained educated scholar VS a internet blogger on the same topic. One speaks from ignorance, the other atleast has the possibility of being more probable.
I'm puzzled. Now Benedict XVI has had some fifty years of theological studies and has written extensively on this subject.

So you would be more accepting of his reply to the question< What is the nature of god?" than you would accept that of the Atheist Camel? http://atheistcamel.blogspot.com/201...-insights.html
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Old 01-25-2013, 10:57 PM   #52
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By your account, the uneducated get to make the rules, fail.
What? This has nothing to do with education. This is about trustworthyness and people are never trusthworthy!

In a valid argument you should always be able to check every detail. Appeal to authority destroys this since the athorithys own reasons cannot be validated.
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False

These are unbiased Historians.
They are referred to as "Biblical Historians".

Carrier and Momigliano are referred to as "Ancient Historians".

Do you understand the difference?

The problem is "you" do not understand the definition, let alone to even begin and understand differences.

Could you therefore point me to an authority of the definitions of the terms "Biblical Historian" and "Ancient Historian"?


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Of course you have to take this position and denounce common knowledge and education because your own hypothesis are so far out there they have zero backing in any type of credible research, by anyone besides uneducated bloggers.

What does my investigation have to do with your OP?


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By the way, they are called scholars, all of which listed by me, have proven their work unbiased and non apologetic.

Do you know what educational institutions these scholars attended.

How impressed do you suppose I'd be if they attended "Bible College"?


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Im sorry, you placed yourself in the time out box by your own admissions.
This is so funny.

There is no need to apologise.
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Do you know what educational institutions these scholars attended.

How impressed do you suppose I'd be if they attended "Bible College"?


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Im sorry, you placed yourself in the time out box by your own admissions.
This is so funny.

There is no need to apologise.
But for sure they cannot be Buddhist. They learned that from the Salt lake City event when they were looking for 'incorruptables' to prove their own righteousness, and here a China man popped up as one.

Oops, that should read: the only one
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You bring on a good issue, can it be properly used? Yes it can.

Example, a trained educated scholar VS a internet blogger on the same topic. One speaks from ignorance, the other atleast has the possibility of being more probable.
I'm puzzled. Now Benedict XVI has had some fifty years of theological studies and has written extensively on this subject.
Since when have apologetic sources been credible for historical methods?? :huh:
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By your account, the uneducated get to make the rules, fail.
What? This has nothing to do with education. This is about trustworthyness and people are never trusthworthy!

In a valid argument you should always be able to check every detail. Appeal to authority destroys this since the athorithys own reasons cannot be validated.

This post has everything to do with education and knowledge, and those that are forced to deny it, because it goes against their uneducated opinions.

:realitycheck:
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By your account, the uneducated get to make the rules, fail.
What? This has nothing to do with education. This is about trustworthyness and people are never trusthworthy!

In a valid argument you should always be able to check every detail. Appeal to authority destroys this since the athorithys own reasons cannot be validated.
That is why they give them a PhD to show authority and then add Honorary Degrees by the dozen and will stand united to protect their own, much in the same way as Sophist will unite as "look-alikes," but philosophers they are not.
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"In 1983, five years after Mead had died, New Zealand anthropologist Derek Freeman, published Margaret Mead and Samoa: The Making and Unmaking of an Anthropological Myth, in which he challenged Mead's major findings about sexuality in Samoan society. Freeman's book was controversial in its turn: later in 1983 the American Anthropological Association declared it to be "poorly written, unscientific, irresponsible and misleading . . .."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Mead


So what we have here is an ambitious anthropologist entering the realm of religion that was just 'tall-tale-telling' to them in their [primitive] Lyceum, just as it was called "the art of Persuasion' in Greece back then that every [Dutch] Jew knows about, as they are all the same, except to Margareth Mead, of course, who went there with 'flat earth' curious eyes and wrote her name to fame.

Following this Publication by the entire College of Antropologist stood United Side-by-Side to denounce this publication by Freeman so that not only Margareth could keep her 28 Honorary PhD's, but mainly so that they could keep their own.

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There is now a large body of criticism of Freeman's work from a number of perspectives in which Mead, Samoa, and anthropology appear in a very different light than they do in Freeman's work. Indeed, the immense significance that Freeman gave his critique looks like "much ado about nothing" to many of his critics.[24]


The real problem is that the Social Siences, such as Theology, Anthropology and Archeology have replaced philosophy now with curious eyes in the absense of Wisdom itself, and so the argument will continue without end.
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Then why would anyone consider her a authority. She obviously wasnt one.


No one has stated "appeal to authority" can be used blindly.
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No one has stated "appeal to authority" can be used blindly.
But you do appear to be using the appeal to authority blindly.
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Then why would anyone consider her a authority. She obviously wasnt one.


No one has stated "appeal to authority" can be used blindly.
But 28 Honorary PhD's and later the defence they made on her behalf shows that the experts in that field still show her an authority, just as the many many theologians of the past are called experts in the field, while yet the general concensus here keeps changing. The point here: if you go to shool to say something you better say something that is niveau, or you went to school for nothing.

Just pointing at a danger, that's all.
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