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_Naturalist_ · 10-30-2005, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by davidH

What aspect of written history do you not understand?

So if any other findings predate the flood myth, they don't really count?

buckshot23 · 10-30-2005, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cjack

It's pretty simple, actually. The claim that "chinese history predates the flood" is a bit problematic in that it assumes the biblical flood actually happened.

In order to make the claim that "chinese history predates the flood," you first must establish that the flood described in the Bible is a historical event. Then you must establish when it happened. THEN you can start the argument about whether or not Chinese history predates the flood.

Otherwise, it's as absurd as arguing that "Chinese history predates the earliest appearance of the Easter Bunny."

Semantics. How about this? Does Chinese written history predate 2304 BC? Then present your written evidence of pre 2304 history as it pertains to chinese culture. How is that?

buckshot23 · 10-30-2005, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AgentSmith

So if any other findings predate the flood myth, they don't really count?

Maybe but not according to the OP. Start your own thread if you want to discuss those findings.

davidH · 10-30-2005, 03:04 PM

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Look, just read the first post and then the third post - i thought that i had clarified this by the third post - where i even included quotes to give examples of what people use to argue the flood could not have happened when the Bible says it did.
Go back and read those posts - i'm not going to repeat myself and repeat myself. I hope the moderators will be able to clean up this topic....i really hope they will.

jcsd · 10-30-2005, 03:07 PM

History is taken as starting when written records start. Periods before this time are part of pre-history as opposed to history.

atheilicious · 10-30-2005, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by davidH

What aspect of written history do you not understand?

I don't see ANY mention of the word "WRITTEN" in your OP. You should retract your statement above.

This, however, is clearly visible:

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Does the chinese history actually predate the Biblical flood?

which is exactly what we are debating.

davidH · 10-30-2005, 03:11 PM

Read posts 1 and then 3 - look this is the claim you guys use to show the flood could not have occurred, why not show that your claim isn't a load of crap. Look at the quotes!!

CanoeMan · 10-30-2005, 03:13 PM

Hey people chill. Forget about all the other stuff, and just focus on the "Chinese history before the flood" question. Which I take as to mean "Does chinese history predate the supposed date of the flood". It doesn't matter if the flood did actually occur, the question that seems to be asked here is simply about chinese history before a certain date.

davidH · 10-30-2005, 03:19 PM

I've asked for this topic to be cleaned up by a moderator - i'm pretty sure it will happen. CanoeMan, read my first and third post.
Thanks

davidH · 10-30-2005, 03:20 PM

Bingo jcsd,
This is the basis for many statements that chinese history disproves there was a flood. This is what i'm trying to get addressed.

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10-30-2005, 03:04 PM	#14
davidH Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 527	<edit> Look, just read the first post and then the third post - i thought that i had clarified this by the third post - where i even included quotes to give examples of what people use to argue the flood could not have happened when the Bible says it did. Go back and read those posts - i'm not going to repeat myself and repeat myself. I hope the moderators will be able to clean up this topic....i really hope they will.

10-30-2005, 03:07 PM	#15
jcsd Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South East UK Posts: 978	History is taken as starting when written records start. Periods before this time are part of pre-history as opposed to history.

10-30-2005, 03:11 PM	#17
davidH Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 527	Read posts 1 and then 3 - look this is the claim you guys use to show the flood could not have occurred, why not show that your claim isn't a load of crap. Look at the quotes!!

10-30-2005, 03:13 PM	#18
CanoeMan Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: out for some Rest 'n Relaxation Posts: 3,106	Hey people chill. Forget about all the other stuff, and just focus on the "Chinese history before the flood" question. Which I take as to mean "Does chinese history predate the supposed date of the flood". It doesn't matter if the flood did actually occur, the question that seems to be asked here is simply about chinese history before a certain date.

10-30-2005, 03:19 PM	#19
davidH Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 527	I've asked for this topic to be cleaned up by a moderator - i'm pretty sure it will happen. CanoeMan, read my first and third post. Thanks

10-30-2005, 03:20 PM	#20
davidH Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 527	Bingo jcsd, This is the basis for many statements that chinese history disproves there was a flood. This is what i'm trying to get addressed.

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