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davidH · 10-30-2005, 01:14 PM

Does the chinese history actually predate the Biblical flood?

I have seen this been stated a couple of times and would like folks here to address it.

As far as i can gather the earliest chinese dynasty (once thought to be myth) has actually been found to be the Xia dynasty which according to the Wikipedia encyclopedia was from 2033 BC–1562 BC. This is the first dynasty described in Chinese records, thought to be myth until archeology began unearthing evidence that it probably did exist. According to a chronological approach of the Bible (which some people think may not be intirely accurate thinking names and ages were probably skipped) the flood is dated at around 2304 BC. This definately does not predate the flood....so what exactly is the evidence that chinese history predates the flood, it definately doesn't seem like it :huh:

Mageth · 10-30-2005, 02:03 PM

You're skipping the Neolithic Period in China:

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehisto...neolithic.html

davidH · 10-30-2005, 02:29 PM

No, the statements on this site state that the written chinese history passes through the flood date - hence it was concrete evidence that the flood could not have happened. The Xia dynasty was thought of as myth, but evidence would seem to suggest it did indeed exist - so the written history was correct. Where is the written history before this date that so many on this forum use to show that the flood could not have happened.
Please produce it.

Here is a recent quote:

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That is so crazy that it is funny! There were Chinese people before the flood (this is extremely well documentated). Then the flood occurs, wiping out all Chinese people (God dosn't like non-white people?). Then Noah's decendents (whom I've always assumed were white), repopulate the earth, and the ones that go back to China, magically adapt to their environment and convert back to Chinese!

Extremely well documented?

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Ancient Chinese civilization, which far predates the timeframe of the global flood, was known for keeping (for the time) an especially detailed historical chronology of events. (For that matter, the Egyptians were no slouches either, but for simplicity's sake we'll stick to the Chinese for now.)

The main impetus behind their detailed record-keeping was to document the succession of dynasties, of course, but along with it they kept pretty accurate tabs on the earth's happenings, even including major astronomical events. Chinese history can trace an absolutely unbroken line that stretches way back before the flood, through the supposed middle of it, and comes out the other end (up to the present day) unscathed.

I've gone back to the first Dynasty....i mean how much stuff no this site is parading as truth but actually it a complete myth?

buckshot23 · 10-30-2005, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AgentSmith

What about other findings that predate not only the flood but the supposed age of the Earth of 6000 years?

The flood as described in the Bible could not possibly have happened anyway.

Could you just let THIS debate to continue before adding all these other points?

davidH · 10-30-2005, 02:42 PM

To be honest, i don't want to deal with anything in this topic but this concept that the chinese written history passes right through the date of the flood. As Buckshot has said.

Just look at the above quotes - where is this stuff coming from?
I've seen it before and i want to know exactly where this started because at the minute it's looking like it's all a load of crap masquerading as truth. Either people on here who use this or who have used it, show me that it's true or they denounce it and stop using it, correcting all others who do use it.

davidH · 10-30-2005, 02:48 PM

Look, i don't know how more clearly i can put it - i don't want anything else but this topic discussed here. Could the moderator start removing all irrelevant posts to the subject of the topic?

_Naturalist_ · 10-30-2005, 02:56 PM

I thought someone already mentioned the neolithic period in China.

davidH · 10-30-2005, 02:57 PM

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I thought someone already mentioned the neolithic period in China.

What aspect of written history do you not understand?

atheilicious · 10-30-2005, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by buckshot23

How does this support the claim that chinese history predates the flood date? Oh yeah it doesn't.

Chinese history predates to the stone age, and beyond, my friend.

Also, look up the following on what predates the 'supposed' flood date:

Huangdi-Xuanyuan
Shaohan-Jintian
Zhuanxu-Gaoyang
Diku-Gaoxin
Dizhi-Gaoxin
Tangyao
Yushun

cjack · 10-30-2005, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by buckshot23

How does this support the claim that chinese history predates the flood date? Oh yeah it doesn't.

It's pretty simple, actually. The claim that "chinese history predates the flood" is a bit problematic in that it assumes the biblical flood actually happened.

In order to make the claim that "chinese history predates the flood," you first must establish that the flood described in the Bible is a historical event. Then you must establish when it happened. THEN you can start the argument about whether or not Chinese history predates the flood.

Otherwise, it's as absurd as arguing that "Chinese history predates the earliest appearance of the Easter Bunny."

10-30-2005, 01:14 PM	#1
davidH Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 527	Chinese history predates flood? Does the chinese history actually predate the Biblical flood? I have seen this been stated a couple of times and would like folks here to address it. As far as i can gather the earliest chinese dynasty (once thought to be myth) has actually been found to be the Xia dynasty which according to the Wikipedia encyclopedia was from 2033 BC–1562 BC. This is the first dynasty described in Chinese records, thought to be myth until archeology began unearthing evidence that it probably did exist. According to a chronological approach of the Bible (which some people think may not be intirely accurate thinking names and ages were probably skipped) the flood is dated at around 2304 BC. This definately does not predate the flood....so what exactly is the evidence that chinese history predates the flood, it definately doesn't seem like it :huh:

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10-30-2005, 02:03 PM	#2
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	You're skipping the Neolithic Period in China: http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehisto...neolithic.html

10-30-2005, 02:42 PM	#5
davidH Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 527	To be honest, i don't want to deal with anything in this topic but this concept that the chinese written history passes right through the date of the flood. As Buckshot has said. Just look at the above quotes - where is this stuff coming from? I've seen it before and i want to know exactly where this started because at the minute it's looking like it's all a load of crap masquerading as truth. Either people on here who use this or who have used it, show me that it's true or they denounce it and stop using it, correcting all others who do use it.

10-30-2005, 02:48 PM	#6
davidH Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 527	Look, i don't know how more clearly i can put it - i don't want anything else but this topic discussed here. Could the moderator start removing all irrelevant posts to the subject of the topic?

10-30-2005, 02:56 PM	#7
_Naturalist_ Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 5,914	I thought someone already mentioned the neolithic period in China.

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