Sheshbazzar

Seems like you would need to care whether 'the authors were lying about stuff' if you were interested in determining what they weren't lying about.

MCalavera

Check the context of his argument.

It's irrelevant whether the author of John lied about some things to do with Jesus.

The point is they all meant their Gospels to be taken historically by the readers.

I don't believe Luke and John (the authors) were trying to mislead their readers into thinking their writings were to be treated as something different from what they claimed they should be treated.

jakejonesiv

:hysterical:

Sheshbazzar

And you know this to be fact?
HOW?
Was it the Holy GHOST that told you?

Solo

IIUC, there's problem with this line of argument in New Testament studies : the experts may indeed crucify an amateur, but that's not necessarily the same thing as proving him ignorant. :huh:

Best,
Jiri

aa5874

It is NOW BLATANTLY obvious that the HJ argument by MCalavera has COLLAPSED into comedy.

He does NOT believe the sources he has presented for his own HJ argument.

It is time for MCalavera to "throw in the towel" before he is "beaten to a pulp".

The "bell" cannot save you, MCalavera.

aa5874 said it best--Throw in the towel, now, MCalavera. Just do it.

Toto

Is "strawman" now the favorite claim by people who don't understand logical fallacies?

Do you know what the scholarly consensus is, what it is based on, and how it was reached? Or are you just relying on claims by Christian apologists about what the scholarly consensus is?

That remains to be seen.

MCalavera

Nope. The authors of the Gospels are saying it in our faces.

You're free to deny what they claim, but don't cry foul when I keep asserting HJ is much more parsimonious than any currently held version of MJ.

MCalavera

There's a good reason for that.

Is Bart Ehrman a Christian?

So you underestimate the expert consensus and think amateurs can do a better job? :huh:

Sheshbazzar

The authors say a whole lot of shit. How do you determine which turds it is out of that shit, that you want to keep in your pocket?
You can keep asserting 'til you're purple in the face, but it isn't going to make you right.
You cannot even honestly claim to know 'every currently held version of MJ'. You may know some views, but you sure as hell do NOT KNOW every view.

Is he an omniscient god?


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