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Old 06-24-2006, 04:08 AM   #1
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Default It's not the end of the world

Hebrews 1 says
10He also says,
"In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.

This is a paraphrase of Psalm 102 , which says
'26 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
Like clothing you will change them
and they will be discarded.'

Isn't it very obvious that the writers of the NT expected the world to end. The old world would be literally destroyed and a new world created.

Just like we change clothes by getting rid of the old ones and destroying them, and then getting brand new clothes.
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Hebrews 1 says
10He also says,
"In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.

This is a paraphrase of Psalm 102 , which says
'26 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
Like clothing you will change them
and they will be discarded.'

Isn't it very obvious that the writers of the NT expected the world to end. The old world would be literally destroyed and a new world created.

Just like we change clothes by getting rid of the old ones and destroying them, and then getting brand new clothes.

Obviousness does not always clothe allegory.
The verse could refer to the body, and its life.




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It's the age that changes as well, not the world only. Noah's flood is a good example of a world and age change.
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It's the age that changes as well, not the world only. Noah's flood is a good example of a world and age change.
In which way would the metaphor of Hebrews 1 'You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed.' be a good metaphor to use about Noah's flood?

Would the (alleged) changes in terms of mountain formation and separation of the continents during the time of Noah's flood be a good use of the clothing metaphor of Hebrews?
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Paul talks about we shall be changed in a twinkling of an eye. Probably why Hebrews thought to be by him (Is it definitely proven he did not write Hebrews?)

A major reason for the growth of this new superstitio was it banging on about the end of the world, they had the portents - the Jewish wars, they had the visions of Christ, they had the alchemic ritual - eucharist - to "make it so".

Human Jesus? Maybe only needed as the years continued to role by! (But is the HJ a later response to Docetism?)
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Just like we change clothes by getting rid of the old ones and destroying them, and then getting brand new clothes.
That's how you change clothes? Man, I've just been throwing the old ones in the hamper...
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That's how you change clothes?
I don't think that I would have the energy every night to destroy my old clothes and buy new ones, never mind the money. Man, your shredding machine must hate you.

Couldn't you just buy a washing machine?

Maybe it's a sign of the end of the world...

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Isn't it very obvious that the writers of the NT expected the world to end. The old world would be literally destroyed and a new world created.
It is obvious that for the NT writers the old world had been changed.
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That's how you change clothes? Man, I've just been throwing the old ones in the hamper...
Perhaps the point of the Hebrews metaphor is that there will be lots of worlds, and God changes the world each day, throwing the old ones into some sort of celestial washing machine, until it is that world's time to be 'worn' again?
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Perhaps the point of the Hebrews metaphor is that there will be lots of worlds, and God changes the world each day, throwing the old ones into some sort of celestial washing machine, until it is that world's time to be 'worn' again?
So that was the point of the Great Flood!
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