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sugarhitman · 05-01-2009, 09:35 AM

Calling all Greek scholars. Are these two Greek names somehow related?

Thanks

Vampyroteuthis · 05-01-2009, 09:39 AM

Yes, they share many common letters.

sugarhitman · 05-01-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Vampyroteuthis

Yes, they share many common letters.

sort like yours with Vampirism?

Toto · 05-01-2009, 10:33 AM

According to this prophecy site,

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APOLLYON, or, as it is literally in the margin of the AV of Revelation 9:11, "a destoyer," is the rendering of the Hebrew word Abaddon, "the angel of the bottomless pit."

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(Dr. William Smith's Dictionary of the Bible, 1872)

APOLLYON. The Greek name, meaning "Destroyer," given in Revelation 9:11 for "the angel of the bottomless pit" (in Hebrew called Abaddon), also identified as the king of the demonic "locusts" described in Revelation 9:3-10. . . In one manuscript, instead of Apollyon the text reads "Apollo," the Greek god of death and pestilence as well as of the sun, music, poetry, crops and herds, and medicine. Apollyon is no doubt the correct reading. But the name Apollo (Gk Apollon) was often linked in ancient Greek writings with the verb apollymi or apollyo, "destroy." From this time of Grotius, "Apollyon" has often been taken here to be a play on the name Apollo. The locust was an emblem of this god, who poisoned his victims, and the name "Apollyon" may be used allusively in Revelation to attack the pagan god and so indirectly the Roman emperor Domitian, who liked to be regarded as Apollo incarnate.

(Anchor Bible Dictionary)

So, yes, some connection in some people's minds.

Vampyroteuthis · 05-01-2009, 10:38 AM

See! I knew Toto would know!

sugarhitman · 05-01-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

According to this prophecy site,

Quote:

APOLLYON, or, as it is literally in the margin of the AV of Revelation 9:11, "a destoyer," is the rendering of the Hebrew word Abaddon, "the angel of the bottomless pit."

. . .

(Dr. William Smith's Dictionary of the Bible, 1872)

APOLLYON. The Greek name, meaning "Destroyer," given in Revelation 9:11 for "the angel of the bottomless pit" (in Hebrew called Abaddon), also identified as the king of the demonic "locusts" described in Revelation 9:3-10. . . In one manuscript, instead of Apollyon the text reads "Apollo," the Greek god of death and pestilence as well as of the sun, music, poetry, crops and herds, and medicine. Apollyon is no doubt the correct reading. But the name Apollo (Gk Apollon) was often linked in ancient Greek writings with the verb apollymi or apollyo, "destroy." From this time of Grotius, "Apollyon" has often been taken here to be a play on the name Apollo. The locust was an emblem of this god, who poisoned his victims, and the name "Apollyon" may be used allusively in Revelation to attack the pagan god and so indirectly the Roman emperor Domitian, who liked to be regarded as Apollo incarnate.

(Anchor Bible Dictionary)

So, yes, some connection in some people's minds.

This is interesting. I think John the writer of Revelation (which is off the works of Daniel's book) is making a connection with Apollo (Apollyon) with the little horn that arises out of the Greek kingdom in Daniel. If memory serves me correctly Apollo was highly esteemed by both the Greeks and the Romans.

Is John telling his readers that the Greek god Apollo is the "Abomination that causes desolation (that is, the abomination that destroys)" wrote of by Daniel? The Prince of the Roman-Greeks? We also know that Antiochus put an image of Zeus, father of Apollo, into the Jewsih temple; is there a connection between that and the NT predictions of the worshipping of Satan (Zeus) and the beast (Apollo) who possibly used those Greek idols as fronts? I ask again, could Apollos (front for the beast) , the god of the Greeks, be the chief prince of the Roman-Greeks?

These questions are directed towards prophecy students...but atheists are welcome also.

(ofcourse these questions are for prophecy students...but atheists are welcomed to give their 2 cents)

Toto · 05-01-2009, 01:03 PM

If the Emperor Domitian regarded himself as Apollo incarnate, it would make more sense for John to be referring to Domitian.

But this just shows how this "prophecy" has no current application, outside of Christian horror stories.

sugarhitman · 05-02-2009, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

If the Emperor Domitian regarded himself as Apollo incarnate, it would make more sense for John to be referring to Domitian.

But this just shows how this "prophecy" has no current application, outside of Christian horror stories.

Or perhaps John is refferring to the Greek chief prince (spiritual prince) who uses Apollo as a front, that will rise again to move the Europeans against Israel...the beast that was, and is not, and yet will be again. He was absent in John's day so I doubt that he is referring to "Domitian."

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Vampyroteuthis Contributor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 14,915	Yes, they share many common letters.

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	If the Emperor Domitian regarded himself as Apollo incarnate, it would make more sense for John to be referring to Domitian. But this just shows how this "prophecy" has no current application, outside of Christian horror stories.

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