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Old 02-23-2010, 03:21 AM   #11
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Why isn't there an index here (on the infidels.org site) for false claims made by apologists like Craig, Wright and Strobel? Like the one they have on talkorigins.org for creationists.

I'm putting it here because I'm thinking about things related to the bible (but it could of course also include other stuff)

Could be a lot of work, but if you have a bunch of people who have refuted this nonsense for a while and someone who knows this stuff who edits the stuff (e.g. Richard Carrier) it shouldn't be that hard.

So why haven't the great people at infidels done something like that?
Please define "apologists".

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Here is an article that explains what christian apologetics is all about.
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Please define "apologists".
Here is an article that explains what christian apologetics is all about.
Apologists have based their defense of Christianity under the assumption that the literature of Eusebius represents historical evidence, philosophical arguments, scientific investigation, rhetorical persuasion and other disciplines. Apologists are the type of people to ignore the black hole of evidence at the center of the Galaxy of Christendom which goes under the name of New Testament Archaeology

WIKI - Christian apologetics

Christian apologetics is a field of Christian theology that aims to present a rational basis for the Christian faith, defend the faith against objections, and expose the perceived flaws of other world views.[1]

Christian apologetics have taken many forms over the centuries, starting with Paul of Tarsus, including writers such as Origen and Augustine of Hippo, and continuing currently with the modern Christian community, through the efforts of many authors in various Christian traditions such as C.S. Lewis.

Apologists have based their defense of Christianity on historical evidence, philosophical arguments, scientific investigation, rhetorical persuasion and other disciplines.
The New Testament cannot be meaningfully admitted as ancient historical evidence until we know the date of its authorship. We dont know. In Eusebius we trust. There is no other available pathway out of the maze but Eusebius. We have to either trust him or reject him.

Likewise, The New Testament non canonical literature cannot be meaningfully admitted as ancient historical evidence until we know the date of its authorship. We dont know. In Eusebius we trust. There is no other available pathway out of the maze but Eusebius. We have to either trust him or reject him.

May I suggest if people are incapable of the theoretical contemplation of the rejection of Eusebius in the former (the canon and christian history), then start instead with the latter -- (the non canonical and "Gnostic History"). Eusebius is no dount quite anti-Gnostic and represents the very first political "Christian Heresiologist". He is adamant that certain books of the Gnostics were not to be read, but were to be destroyed, and were authored by vile heretics.

If we dont have the heart or mind to reject Eusebius authenticity with respect to the NT Canon, surely we should be able to objectively reject Eusebius' "evidence" concerning Gnostic History (ie: history of the gnostic gospels and acts and other NT non canonical literature)
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Why isn't there an index here (on the infidels.org site) for false claims made by apologists like Craig, Wright and Strobel? Like the one they have on talkorigins.org for creationists.
...because they make millions on Christian apologetic books and can afford to underwrite it, whereas this site is all volunteers with day jobs.
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