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Davka · 11-23-2011, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

הנה מופת דבר הזה׃

HENNAY! MOPETH! ha'davar ha'zeh!

BEHOLD! a MIRACLE! this thing is!

just havin me a wee bit o'fun here folks :Cheeky:

In modern Hebrew, this phrase sounds almost identical to "hey, this thing is a Moped!" Puns abound.

Hebrew? I thought that was Klingon for "Scratch my moped and you're DEAD, asshole!"

Klingon and Hebrew share many important traits, not least of which is the guttural "hock a loogie" sound.

Steve Weiss · 11-23-2011, 09:49 PM

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Interesting.

It is so frustrating, form a scientific p.o.v., that the Temple Mount is the focus of so many religious zealots. Archaeology would learn unimaginable amounts if they were allowed to dig there. The closest they can get is digging right next to the Wall.

I was invited on a tour of the infamous Western Wall Tunnel back in the 90s when it was a source of political controversy. The excavation team wanted members of the press to see for themselves that they were not undermining the Mount in any way, so they brought about a dozen of us through the tunnel with a guide. It was fascinating.

The most intriguing part was passing by blocked-off stairway entrances which used to be used by the priests to gain access to the Temple. Today they are filled with two millenniums' worth of dirt and rubble, an archaeologist's wet dream. What's more, nobody is really sure where they come out on the top of the mount. Excavating those stairwells would answer once and for all the question of where the Temple was actually located. But it's "Holy Ground," and riots would ensue if science got it's grubby hands in that pristine dirt.

Fucking humans.

But there would be no human but for fucking.

Dr Evil · 11-24-2011, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Davka

Interesting.

It is so frustrating, form a scientific p.o.v., that the Temple Mount is the focus of so many religious zealots. Archaeology would learn unimaginable amounts if they were allowed to dig there. The closest they can get is digging right next to the Wall.

I was invited on a tour of the infamous Western Wall Tunnel back in the 90s when it was a source of political controversy. The excavation team wanted members of the press to see for themselves that they were not undermining the Mount in any way, so they brought about a dozen of us through the tunnel with a guide. It was fascinating.

The most intriguing part was passing by blocked-off stairway entrances which used to be used by the priests to gain access to the Temple. Today they are filled with two millenniums' worth of dirt and rubble, an archaeologist's wet dream. What's more, nobody is really sure where they come out on the top of the mount. Excavating those stairwells would answer once and for all the question of where the Temple was actually located. But it's "Holy Ground," and riots would ensue if science got it's grubby hands in that pristine dirt.

Fucking humans.

If an athiest archaeologist wanted to do a excavation there, the fundy Jews and Muslims who hate each other passionately, would probably have no touble working together happily and peacefully to stop it. And then when it was all over, they would happily go back to hating each other.

Roger Pearse · 11-24-2011, 05:04 AM

Coins from 17AD found under Jerusalem's Western Wall hints sacred site NOT built by Herod

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Newly found coins underneath Jerusalem’s Western Wall could change the accepted belief about the construction of one of the world’s most sacred sites two millennia ago, Israeli archaeologists said Wednesday.

The man usually credited with building the compound known to Jews as the Temple Mount and to Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary is Herod, a Jewish ruler who died in 4 B.C.

But archaeologists with the Israel Antiquities Authority now say diggers have found coins underneath the massive foundation stones of the compound’s Western Wall that were stamped by a Roman proconsul 20 years after Herod’s death.

That indicates that Herod did not build the wall - part of which is venerated as Judaism’s holiest prayer site - and that construction was not close to being complete when he died.

'The find changes the way we see the construction, and shows it lasted for longer than we originally thought,' said the dig’s co-director, Eli Shukron.

The four bronze coins were stamped around 17 A.D. by the Roman official Valerius Gratus.

He preceded Pontius Pilate of the New Testament story as Rome’s representative in Jerusalem, according to Ronny Reich of Haifa University, one of the two archaeologists in charge of the dig. ...

The coins confirm a contemporary account by Josephus Flavius, a Jewish general who became a Roman historian.

Writing after a Jewish revolt against Rome and the destruction of the Temple by legionnaires in 70 A.D., he recounted that work on the Temple Mount had been completed only by King Agrippa II, Herod’s great-grandson, two decades before the entire compound was destroyed.

Duvduv · 11-24-2011, 06:02 AM

That's fine. Because all kings in that family were known as Herod.

semiopen · 11-24-2011, 06:19 AM

I started a thread on this yesterday -

http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=308925

Feel free to merge the two.

As I allude to there, my rabbi asserts that the Western Wall is from the First Temple, and I'm still staggering under the outrageous nature of that.

Duvduv · 11-24-2011, 06:24 AM

No that's not true. The lower parts of the wall are from the second temple. The visible portion is Herodian.

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I started a thread on this yesterday -

http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=308925

Feel free to merge the two.

As I allude to there, my rabbi asserts that the Western Wall is from the First Temple, and I'm still staggering under the outrageous nature of that.

semiopen · 11-24-2011, 06:24 AM

Other than Roger's thread, this is mine -

http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=308925

This could well have been under construction when Yoshke was there.

stephan huller · 11-24-2011, 10:51 AM

I always felt that the original text of Josephus (buried under the current revisions) used Agrippa's completion of the wall as a point to blame him for the revolt. Its been a while since I read the material but the emphasis that the wall was completed under Agrippa seemed to me to be used to blame him for the revolt

Duvduv · 11-24-2011, 10:59 AM

By Yoshke do you mean simply Yeshu ben Pandera or someone *else*? ;-)

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Other than Roger's thread, this is mine -

http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=308925

This could well have been under construction when Yoshke was there.

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11-24-2011, 06:02 AM	#15
Duvduv Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 4,095	That's fine. Because all kings in that family were known as Herod.

11-24-2011, 06:19 AM	#16
semiopen Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hillsborough, NJ Posts: 3,551	I started a thread on this yesterday - http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=308925 Feel free to merge the two. As I allude to there, my rabbi asserts that the Western Wall is from the First Temple, and I'm still staggering under the outrageous nature of that.

11-24-2011, 06:24 AM	#18
semiopen Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hillsborough, NJ Posts: 3,551	Other than Roger's thread, this is mine - http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=308925 This could well have been under construction when Yoshke was there.

11-24-2011, 10:51 AM	#19
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	I always felt that the original text of Josephus (buried under the current revisions) used Agrippa's completion of the wall as a point to blame him for the revolt. Its been a while since I read the material but the emphasis that the wall was completed under Agrippa seemed to me to be used to blame him for the revolt

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